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      1 year ago

      That’s not the worst thing they did.

      Ask yourself: why did the Holocaust happen exactly? Who is responsible for almost all antisemitism, from past to present?

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        1 year ago

        That’s a bit of a stretch don’t you think. I don’t like the church either but saying they’re responsible for the Holocaust is quite a leap lmfao

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          Not directly, no.

          But would you mind exlaining to me why the Nazi’s social darwinism heavily focused on Jews?What’s the root cause of antisemitism?

          I can answer it: the church’s centuries of antisemitism. There’s a reason antisemitism was this extremely widespread in Europe.

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            Antisemitism was prevalent long before the Catholic Church, and was prevalent outside of the church. Unfortunately it’s one of those things that is just shitty behavior, and not exclusively a shitty church thing

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    1 year ago

    This just in: Easter bunny says same sex unions can also receive blessings

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    They’re acting like the schism isn’t already guaranteed. A not insignificant portion of Catholics look to the episcopal church as leaders on issues like lgbt treatment and women’s leadership. Meanwhile another not insignificant portion of Catholics look to the medieval church as a role model on such issues and have issues with Catholic stances on things like the death penalty, global poverty, and the environment.

    The fact is that the liberation theologists, Catholic workers, and other branches of the Catholic left are just not following the same religion as groups like the Catholics who control the American Supreme Court, the neofrancoists, and those who still say mass in Latin. And stuck in the middle are folks like Joe Biden, many Jesuits, and pope Francis who understand that the Catholic Church has a lot of value in its stability but does need to change to reflect the times and isn’t in a stable position.

    The schism is all but official. The question is which side gets to keep the pope, how many pieces are left, and how radical each is.

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      Anecdotal but all of the Catholics I know have either converted to the episcopal church or they just never go to mass or talk about it but say they’re catholic so grandma doesn’t get sad. You go to mass, and there are no young people whatsoever. I don’t have hard data to back this up but it seems like the Catholic Church in the US could just collapse before a significant schism reaches us.

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        Oh full agreement, I’m ex Catholic myself (pagan now but it wasn’t a direct conversion). And yeah that’s what Francis was for and what he’s trying to do. There are still young Catholics and I’d break them into two groups: religiously inclined people who like theological rigor or ritual and were probably raised Catholic, and those who find value in regressive traditionalism. The former tend to convert to something like episcopalianism if their values drive them from the church. The latter on the other hand drive more people from regular Catholic attendance

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    The Vatican teaches that homosexuals must be treated with dignity and respect but that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”

    Isn’t it weird how Catholic “radical inclusion” is wildly insulting and still less inclusive than secular society?

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      1 year ago

      Love thy neighbor. Except this one. And this one. And those over there. And so on.

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    Do gay people really care about being blessed by the Pope? Pedos I can imagine might have some affinity towards the Catholic church, but gays, Nah.

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      Because of those pesky human rights that mandate “freedom of religion” or whatever.

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          I mean it kinda does with the whole “freedom of expression” thing it has.

          I could be wrong on this, but that’s how I interperted it.

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              No clue about the constitution, since I am not american, but it would be logical to think that the religous can rule as long as they don’t break other human rights.