As “funny” as this might be, if you don’t fucking vote Biden you’re likely voting for a huge world wide change off a cliff. If Trump wins, then your precious Gaza will be wiped out or whatever similar words he used. And that is just the start. His claims, he wants to be a dictator, the 2025 document basically wishes the US to become Gilead, and lots more fun stuff.
Seriously, maybe this might be slightly panicky, but these are things that are in all seriousness claimed by the Republican party and Trump. That is what you will be voting for if you don’t vote Biden , so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
On a side note, I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot. Not that they do that willingly or knowingly, but with Russia continuously meddling in US politics, you can rest assured that Putin won’t sit by while this is happening, he needs his useful idiot in US power.
if you don’t fucking vote Biden
your precious Gaza
so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot
You can fuck ALL the way off with that bullshit. Libs like this are going to guarantee low turnout if they keep callously screaming shit like this to people who feel strongly about not being party to butchering children.
Instead of threatening and blaming voters you should be threatening and blaming the administration for alienating and disenfranchising millions of voters who would otherwise vote for him.
Yeah, and all of it is pretty on point, like it or not.
Go vote trump, or that brain worm guy, or don’t vote at all. Trump will then win and when he’s been in for a year, let’s talk again and see how well your argument held up.
I’d love to do anything else than what I’m doing now but stakes are rather high, not only for Palestinians, not only for Americans.
people who feel strongly about not being party to butchering children
You think Trump taking the white house is going to change that? The only difference enabling republicans is going to make is how much things are going to get worse.
Conservative voters aren’t bound by the same morals. They don’t abstain because their leaders are causing suffering.
No, which is why it’s incredible to me that Biden would risk it by his hardline endorsement of Israeli war crimes in gaza.
Biden is fallible, end of story. The guy has a shit track record, signing onto all sorts of shit that has made this country worse. We could talk till we are blue in the face about how shitty the two party system is but you assholes (idealists) seem to only show up around election time then disappear after everyone has to eat the shit sandwich we end up with.
but you assholes (idealists) seem to only show up around election time then disappear after everyone has to eat the shit sandwich we end up with.
We’ve always been here, and we’ve always been the ones eating the shit sandwich. We just suddenly become relevant around election time when the libs are looking for someone to scapegoat for their failing electoral strategy.
Where were you in 2021 when I was shit talking Biden all over the internet and getting shut down at every turn? Where were you 2022 with the same result? 2023 I said fuck it and went to lemmy.
2024 all the sudden, “you know that Biden guy kinda sucks.”
We could have primaried him you assholes.
Been here the whole time.
Yeah we have been here the whole time, y’all just been ignoring us especially when the truths we were speaking were inconvenient for your strategies of shaping your world view purely off an averaging function of other people’s views around you rather than a serious, adult intellectual understanding of human rights, the military industrial complex, late stage capitalism and colonialism.
See here’s the thing, most of us “radical leftists” care so deeply about doing the right thing that we have kept supporting y’all because you are usually less violent in policy making than Republicans. In return, you insult us for not showing up for elections we show up for, you laugh at us for being weird and eccentric when you are drunk with your Republican friends even though we are by far the highest energy and most impactful grass roots organizers in your coalition, you call us betrayers of the cause when we make your shitty candidates deal with aspects of their policies that are extremely problematic, you talk about us to the general public like we are below the moral level of conservatives who our political ideologies are specifically founded on a basis that the hate within conservatism of all kinds is the root of violence and suffering.
It’s over, the fact that Biden won’t even budge about the genocide of Palestinians when the raw US poll numbers send a clear signal of support for Palestinians, and no especial attachment to Israel is very very very close to making the progressive coalition with the Democratic Party an extinct species. Y’all will yell at us on the TV about how this was our fault when your political strategies catastrophically fail, as you have always done, but the difference this time is we shut the TVs off a long time ago and are out organizing your shitty belief system out of power so it can’t hurt more people.
So it will be that it leftists will be the ones organizing the evacuation of the ship and getting people into life boats while y’all will have gone to get the captain to come down and make us stop violating the orderly rules of command on the ship, and then when you finally comprehend the sea about to swallow you up you will scream it was our fault the ship sunk (that y’all never let us captain for even a second even though you let your rightwing friends drive the ship all the time even when you were technically supposed to be on the helm).
You know who could very quickly win those voters back and make sure he wins in a landslide? Joe Biden. And you know what is all that he has to do for it? Stop sending weapons and money to Israel. This is already what the US laws mandate by the way. So all he has to do is uphold US laws he is currently breaking
Bonus points for recognizing Palestine internationally and getting Israeli war criminals in front of the ICC.
Why are you blaming the victims of Bidens politics instead of Biden, who has all the power to change these things right now?
You know who could lose the elections if he pushes against the Israeli government causing disenfranchised Jewish voters?
Yeah. It’s not that easy.
I agree that everyone should vote Biden in November, but no… this can’t wait until then. Biden needs to address this, and he’s absolutely earning the nickname we see here by failing to do so.
He didn’t start this mess, and we probably can’t abandon Israel as an ally for a myriad of tactical and political reasons… But we can and should address the weapons being sent over regularly.
I agree it can’t wait, but it will have to. You forget that Biden amhas more things to take into account than just our opinions on it, right as we may be. If he kicks the Israeli government he might disenfranchise the Jewish community who then may decide not to vote for him, then Trump it is and bye bye Palestinians. It must suck to be in his place.
Anyway, I would not immediately assume that Biden is loving this genocide, he likely has many things to consider
Criticism of Biden is not endorsement of trump. The people protesting are likely progressives who hate trump.
Criticize him all you want, but please wait until the election is over? Pretty please? Last thing we need is people lashing out and not voting at all, that’s how you get another 4 years of trump
Oh I will still vote Biden despite being seriously pissed at him.
Thank you.
When he’s in, criticize all you want but right now bigger issues and such
I have sent him a few letters already, and will not plan to stop. I have also told Obama the ways I was disappointed in him.
Yeah I don’t think that matter much, it’s not like he will be reading these letters himself. But you do you, for sure.
What about Atrocity Trump? They point at Biden, but never the disaster trump would ensure.
How is that relevant to this? Are people not allowed to protest now because “other guy would be worse”? That’s an actual authoritarian tactic.
This isn’t saying “Trump would be better”. This is saying “Biden supporting a genocide is unacceptable”.
Woaah. Hold up there cowboy. Are you suggesting we hold politicians responsible for their policy?
There is another way
They have zero chance with the current political system in the US and every vote for them is a vote strengthening Trump.
by voting for the PSL, I’m not voting for trump, which is actually a vote for biden. You should be thanking me!
No, no, and F NO!
You vote that and you can pretty much be sure that Trump wins.
Yes, it sucks, but vote Biden, like him or not. You can’t risk trump getting into a position of power…
and as I write this, why am I even trying? These university students are vapid and dumb enough to do this anyway, not vote or vote some alternative , thinking they are making the world better while they are actively destroying it. Sorry, but yes, people are unknowingly but willingly destroying their own and our futures.
These university students are vapid and dumb enough to do this anyway, not vote or vote some alternative , thinking they are making the world better while they are actively destroying it.
This mentality right here is exactly why you’re headed to a devastating runback of 2016. No seeing the other point of view or wondering why people would feel a certain way, just denigration and dismissal.
You better get to knocking on doors, you only got 6 months to go!
I’m not wrong though.
I’d would not vote Biden either but seriously, you know the alternative. It sucks that the US has gotten to the point where you always have to vote the least worse option, but it is what it is.
Young people think this election is theirs to lose.
Say hello to your ronald regan moment. Say hello to your nixon moment. Say hello to your george bush moment. Say hello to your trump moment.
That’s what will haunt you until you die in a shittier world than what you started in.
And when you wonder why progress is never possible you can think back to it.
Progress isn’t possible in the US because Dems kept getting away with not being as bad as Reps instead of actually having to be better. As the result the Dems are getting worse and worse and worse and the Reps are getting even more insane. Biden is still running internment camps at the borders. Biden is still building Trumps wall. Biden is still running Guantanamo.
All you get by voting the “lesser” of two evils is double the evil next time.
But when the Dems actually risk losing over their shit, they will be inclined to change it. And if they don’t change it, that means that they rather want to Trump to win the election than they want to end a fucking genocide. You are gaslighting yourself instead of holding the responsible people accountable.
Hell yeah, fuck that guy.
These kids are gonna feel none of the blowback when trump wins and when actual palestinians ask them why they let the Genocide come here they’ll give some karen shit about how it’s the party’s job to convince them to vote against fascism happening here.
Yeah, we should let Joe do genocide because if we don’t, Trump will do genocide 😢
Pathetic.
