• Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 months ago

    “It’s alright to vote 3rd party if you’re not in a swing state” or something like that. The Overton window shifted away from the idea that there’s some moral failing for voting for Biden because of the anti-voting astroturfing that happened recently.

    • LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.worldOP
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      6 months ago

      Where are you getting this idea of anti-voting astroturfing? All the propaganda I see seems to be catered to getting people to vote for the lesser of two evils.

      Also don’t get me wrong. I’m very much against not voting. I just don’t see any money being spent on pushing anti-voting but maybe I’ve missed it. 🤷

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        6 months ago

        Russia is known to do this at this point. A sudden spike in talking about how voting for [current DNC candidate] is immoral usually fortells a report a few months later that it was started by Russians being paid to spread that message. The fact that lemmygrad, .ml, and Hexbear users suddenly started pushing it 2 weeks ago right after Biden started making serious progress against Israel suggests this is the case. I don’t know that Russian bots are using Hexbear as a staging ground, but even if they aren’t it’s still at the very least directly downstream from Russian propaganda.

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          6 months ago

          Kind stranger, I will keep an eye out for this. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for talking with me like a normal person. 🙂

          I hope you have a great day. 👈😎

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            6 months ago

            It’s russia and their shills but it’s also tankies and other shills, fash, stooges, etc.

            They want the fash cheeto.

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              6 months ago

              You think “tankies” want trump? I’m going to need a source for that one.

              The other groups I’m totally with you on. But I don’t understand why more moderate lefties are so quick to pretend that far lefties are fascist. Unless you meant something else by that term, I’ve only ever heard it used to describe socialists.

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                6 months ago

                Liberals are just a hop and a skip away from being full blown nazis so they hate on the actual Left to try and convince people they are radical crazy people and the liberal nazis are the norm.

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                    6 months ago

                    They’re not actually the same, btw. The person’s absolutely cracked.

                    Edit: to be more specific, they just equated liberals with Nazis and then accused me of being a liberal (and thus adjacent to being a Nazi) because I disagreed. These are the kinds of people you should generally distrust.

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                  6 months ago

                  Liberals and fascists are in fact very, very different. Convoluting the two only serves to distance potential allies and elevate the standing of fascists.

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                6 months ago

                Iirc, Infrahaz is or was in favor of Trump, as was Caleb Maupin (who also notably worked for Russia Today) when he was still around. Also, Tankies aren’t socialists.

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                    6 months ago

                    Generally, tankies are individuals who advocate for authoritarian regimes while claiming both they and the regimes are leftists. These regimes usually include russia, china, or North korea. Communism is a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Every single country that tankies usually advocate for fails in every single one of these criteria, and so I do not believe it is useful to refer to them as communists.

                    These definitions may be flawed, but they are what I am currently using, which was the question.