• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago
    1. Don’t switch horses mid-race
    2. Deal with this after we’ve secured democracy
    3. You may not BE a Russian spammer working to elect the orange degenerate puppet by sowing discord and making people not vote, but that just means you aren’t getting paid for it.
    • trevron@beehaw.org
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      To be(e) polite I will put it this way: some of you are living in a fantasy land. What do you mean “secured democracy”? What democracy?

      Statistically speaking, we (US citizens) have roughly 0% effect on federal policy. There is virtually no representation for the left. The right is too stupid to realize they are relinquishing their rights. And liberals (aka centrists) yell “we have to save democracy by voting for this other skin bag” even though this other skin bag wants the same thing as the “scary” skin bag but this other skinbag fucks us over quietly and at least pretends to want to alleviate the student loan problem (that he basically created).

      And then liberals blame the people who actually use their voice to not contribute to a murdering, racist, genocidal pig - like it’s their fault. At least I can say those who support the right are just animals with rocks for brains but what is the usually well educated libs excuse for willingly accepting and being complicit in the demise of democracy?

      Telling someone they may as well be a Russian shill for not voting for your nasty decrepit walking skin sack of a monster is a lame and childish move and the fact that you and everyone else who does so is ignorant to the fact that you/they are also actively contributing to the rise of fascism is actually infuriating.

      The DNC fucked up, not me or anyone else with a conscience and a spine. But the whole point is they don’t even care dude. You don’t even have a democracy to save.

      • Dippy@beehaw.org
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        12 hours ago

        Just because our side isn’t as popular as you’d like doesn’t mean we don’t have democracy. Now what we do have is a flawed system with lots of mechanisms for a minority party to grind the gears to a halt, and incredibly low voter turnout especially among the far left.

        The only way out is to vote in a supermajority of reps who want to fix the system. So vote blue this year, and start building an electable coalition for next cycle. Don’t just stand there, do something

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          Way to distill valid arguments down into “my side isn’t winning”. That is not what I said.

          The US is an Oligarchy where corporate power makes the rules. Corporations have more power and less liability than citizens. And the power gap has been growing more and more since Reagan. Those are the facts. The system is so inherently broken and corrupt you aren’t going to fix it within the system. It is super naive to think otherwise.

          There is zero accountability for political corruption and bribes so basically all of congress is bought and paid for (see AIPAC for example). Now that Chevron is overturned the supreme court gets to decide free from expert opinion what our constitution means. Where is the democracy in that?

    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      3 days ago

      I think running Biden gives Trump a better chance of winning. It’s obvious Biden isnt fit for the job. I’d vote for a wet sandwich over Trump, but I’m not someone the Democrats have to convince. The Dems need a dramatically different candidate to have a fighting chance this November.