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    I’m sorry your opinion doesn’t change what happened. Hamas rejected the cease fire. You can quibble about whether you think it was put forward by whatever party, whomever it was put forward by, it was rejected by Hamas.

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        I guess I’ll post this again…

        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj77j7ppj52o.amp

        US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said that if a ceasefire plan backed by the US and UN does not progress, Hamas will be to blame.

        Mr Blinken reiterated his call for Hamas to accept the plan as outlined by President Biden 11 days ago.

        He said the onus was on “one guy” hiding “ten storeys underground in Gaza” to make the casting vote, referring to Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.

        Mr Blinken said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had “reaffirmed his commitment” to the proposal when they held talks in Jerusalem on Monday.

        Mr Netanyahu has not publicly endorsed what Mr Biden outlined nor said whether it matches an Israeli proposal on which Mr Biden’s statement was based.

        Mr Blinken described as a “hopeful sign” Hamas’s response to a resolution passed by the UN Security Council on Monday supporting what Mr Biden had announced.

        The resolution noted that Israel had accepted what Mr Biden had presented and called on Hamas to do so as well.

        Hamas issued a statement on Tuesday welcoming “what was included” in the resolution.

        But Mr Blinken said Hamas’s response was not conclusive, adding that that “what counts” is what is said by the Hamas leadership in Gaza, “and that’s what we don’t have”.

        If the proposal did not proceed then it was “on them”, he said.

        And I’ll tack on, why had Hamas rejected in written form the proposal and responded with a counter proposal?

        Additionally, your source says they signal support. No where did it say Israel rejected it. Even from your article:

        U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, in Tel Aviv to meet Israeli officials, called this a “hopeful sign” but said it was not conclusive.

        More important “is the word coming from Gaza and from the Hamas leadership in Gaza. That’s what counts, and that’s what we don’t have yet,” Blinken told reporters in Tel Aviv.

        You are lying. Also, considering it was a cease fire, not negotiations, that was proposed, this seems like a feeble attempt to obfuscate the situation.

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          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-says-he-will-only-accept-partial-ceasefire-deal/ar-BB1oOcH2

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          Netanyahu stated he was “prepared to make a partial deal—this is no secret—that will return to us some of the people,” referring to the approximately 120 hostages still detained in Gaza. “But we are committed to continuing the war after a pause, in order to complete the goal of eliminating Hamas. I’m not willing to give up on that,” he added.

          These remarks come as a surprise after U.S. President Joe Biden presented the plan as an Israeli initiative, referred to by some in Israel as “Netanyahu’s deal.” His comments could further strain U.S.-Israel relations, as the U.S., Israel’s primary ally, has made significant diplomatic efforts to push for the ceasefire.

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            Political bluster does not negate what internal negotiations are resulting in. This does not at all disprove my sources. I’m sorry, Hamas is holding this one up. As stated, everyone was waiting for Hamas to sign. If your assertions about Israel hold any weight, Hamas really could have stuck it to them and signed the cease fire, forcing Israel to either back up it’s bluster or move forward. But they didn’t.

            And these are the facts.

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              Israel publicly stated they would not abide by the ceasefire.

              You said Israel signed the ceasefire deal which is not a fact.

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                I didn’t say anything. You’d have to quote me, which you can’t :)

                You have a problem with what Blinken and the resolution itself are saying, and they say Israel accepted the deal. Take it up with them. I’m done with you, this exact situation was discussed with you in a previous thread by another user. This is a bad faith effort to muddy the waters, and I reject this kind of discussion.

                Goodbye.

                Edit: since reading the original article is not a thing here:

                Driving the news: Earlier this week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu walked back the proposal and told Israel’s Channel 14 that he is interested in a “partial deal” with Hamas that will free “some of the hostages” held in Gaza and allow Israel to continue fighting in the enclave.

                A day later, under pressure from the U.S., Qatar and hostages families, Netanyahu corrected his comments and recommitted to the proposal.

                But if it were up to the above user, this wouldn’t have been mentioned.