Conservatives:
(But not if it makes me feel like I’m losing anything, or if I have to pay any taxes for it)
IMHO foolish to focus on the most vulnerable rather than how most people are vulnerable in some way or another and putting foremost in policy messaging changes that would help large numbers of people.
I sympathize with the plight of trans folks and other smaller disadvantaged minority groups but half of Americans are barely making ends meet, and America is falling further behind in manufacturing, infrastructure and technology/research, all while bathroom bills and grooming narratives are decade+ old very effective wedge issues.
Help the most vulnerable certainly but put front and foremost how the vast majority would be helped if you want to motivate voters and win converts.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Weirdly enough, it was Adam Smith, the first proto-capitalist, that came up with that idea.
He clearly hadn’t foreseen the possibility of monopolies and abusive trade practices.
That’s what I’m saying, that’s a winning message, rather than focusing on hauling ashore the few boats deemed most deserving by whatever metric and implying the others are less important and can wait.
Don’t worry, the people who need to listen to this will take one look at this and say “Well, I’M voting with my HEART”, because their heart tells them to do everything they can to enable fascism in the US.
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I didn’t realize your heart told you to do everything you can to enable fascism in Israel as well, but considering how enthusiastic you are about making sure Trump wins so he can “help Israel finish the job”, I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising.
Biden is no different from Trump. Biden is actively aiding and abetting the genocide in Gaza. He is sending billions of dollars of war funding and munitions to Israel, and using his Security Council veto to prevent the UN from intervening.
Trump’s just more honest about it because he doesn’t need to win Michigan.
If you vote Biden, you are supporting fascism and genocide. The only way we’re stopping fascism in Israel is if everyone votes Green.
And I’m convinced that both the Democrats and Republicans would be history if Americans weren’t so binary in their thinking.
Be non-binary. Vote Green.
The only way we’re
stopping fascism in Israelensuring Trump wins and enables Netanyahu to finish his genocide is if everyone votes Green.FTFY.
The only way we’re ensuring Trump wins and enables Netanyahu to finish his genocide is if everyone votes Green.
No. If everyone votes Green, then Jill Stein becomes president, not Trump. That’s how elections work.
You’re so deep in Democrat-Republican binary thinking that you’ve forgotten how elections work.
No, I’m just not an idiot and I know how the real world works. I wouldn’t vote for Jill Stein even if there was a chance of a third party win, but in this case, there isn’t, and anyone who votes for her is playing right into Trump’s tiny baby hands. And, by extension, Putin. Though, tbh, I kind of wonder if you’re actually even American after looking at your comment history. The grammar and spelling are mostly good, but there are a couple of slips with terms that aren’t really used here.
Yeah looks like a shill to me good spot 👍
Are you even American? Because if you were, you’d notice that I consistently use British spellings. (Or, I try to.)
I’m not British. I’m just trying to assimilate into Irish culture, and they use British spellings.
Edit: Oh, maybe I’m not good at remembering to use British spellings. But I try to say spoilt and spelt instead of spoiled and spelled.
Not to mention that Jill Stein has found a way to be worse than Biden and Trump, by being dumber than a brick.
The moron said publicly she thought 9/11 was a hoax. There are other reasons to think she’s a fucking idiot, that’s just the one I’ll never forget
Jill Stein is a candidate for people that don’t understand politics- I’ve yet to see anyone that suggests voting for her that has shown even a remote understanding of any of it.
Don’t forget about the wifi might be damaging kids’ brains thing. That was fun. Less fun is that people have pointed out that a lot of her stated foreign policy goals happened to align with Russia’s. She’s a big ol’ no for me.
If everyone votes Green, then Jill Stein becomes president
When you were a kid did you wish for a million toys every night at bedtime and then wake up surprised every day when that never happened?
You will never ever ever get enough people to vote green in November to do anything other than give Trump a landslide victory. It’s a pointless thought experiment.
You’re so deep in Democrat-Republican binary thinking that you’ve forgotten how elections work.
Clearly you don’t know how elections in this country work if you think voting third party works in a FPTP system.
Ranked choice voting should be what we’re pushing for, not handing the election to Republicans
Jill Stein wins, so now instead of just genocide in Gaza we now also have Genocide in Ukraine because Stein is a known Manchurian Candidate sponsored by Russia.
Biden is no different from Trump.
I appreciate identifying yourself upfront and saving me trouble of having to read anything else you wrote.
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So are you. There is no vote you can make in the U.S. this election that doesn’t, including not voting, so it doesn’t make any sense to make it the only issue to vote on.
So are you.
No. Your logic is confused. You’re so caught up in the false dichotomy, you’re not reasoning correctly.
This is some 1984 shit. “Freedom is slavery. War is peace. People who don’t vote for the parties supporting genocide are supporting genocide.”
Says the person who make certain the genocide gets worse by electing trump. Gotta love bad faith actors. And by love I mean despise deeply.
Hilarious take. A vote for The Green Party isn’t non-binary, it’s irrelevant.
Voting green means Trump gets elected in a landslide and fascism comes to America.
The two party system is because of the electoral college. No amount of “non-binary thinking by Americans citizens” will change that, only a change to the constitution.
Biden is no different from Trump
Found the white bougie kid.
In fairness to Biden, I’m starting to think he has no idea what he’s doing.
The struggling landlord who isn’t even being tipped 😭
“I’m sure letting the fascists win chasing the rapturous dream that this time surely it will teach the DNC “its lesson” is 100% in the interests of that trans kid! And I get to make that judgement call because the list the fascists put out says how much further down the kill list I am from them!”
This will also work for conservatives, though. They will imsist that the most vulnerable people are unborn children, therefore they should vote anti-abortion
Will = have been for decades and will continue to do so. Up next is contraception because they will act like unfertilized eggs are children next.
If every gamete is considered viable, then a wet dream is a catastrophic loss of human lives, so puberty blockers should be mandatory before marriage
As well as the trans children thing and the belief that indoctrination is behind it
They can’t be something if they’re not something yet.
Idk.
On the one hand Trump might go to prison for the rest of his life if he loses this election.
On the other hand most of my policy goals are at least considered by Biden.
So I think I’ll ignore you and happily vote to send Trump to prison.
Wtf are you going on about?
I’m making a dumb joke about how Trump is vulnerable do to his crimes.
I like how you assume this is a pro-Trump post.
Wait… is it a pro-Trump post?
Respond to the wrong thing? They’re not talking about your pro trump posts.
The most vulnerable people I know are being targeted by a campaign of genocide. How do I vote in their best interests?
Assuming you’re talking about Palestine, probably the one that hasn’t told donors that he plans to crush protests and deport demonstrators on the matter
Okay, now how do I help the people being genocided?
They just told you. You have two realistic options (sorry, third parties are a fantasy under the current American electoral system). One of those options will permit and even tepidly support genocide in Palestine, the other will actively and eagerly encourage it. You pick the lesser of those two evils, and then you fight like hell against them until you get the results you’re actually looking for.
One of the smartest things I’ve ever heard about Western liberal democracy is this; “Voting is when you get to choose your opponent.” You’re not endorsing a platform, you’re arranging the battlefield.
At the end of the day, Trump will be somewhat worse for the people of Palestine than Biden will, and much, much worse for everyone in America. It might feel icky voting for Biden, but if you truly care about the lives of the people in Gaza, it is the best choice you can make under the options available to you.
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President Biden will also announce new contributions totaling $316 million to support the Palestinian people. This is on top of the more than half a billion dollars the United States has provided to the Palestinian people since the Biden Administration restored much needed funding to the Palestinians.
Finally, President Biden’s reiteration that the only way forward to maintain Israel’s security is through the two-state solution is consistent with the administration’s approach from day one.
The directive signed by Biden last month effectively allows Palestinian immigrants who would otherwise have to leave the United States to stay without the threat of deportation for at least 18 months.
You don’t. Not with your vote, anyway - these libs telling you to “vote blue no matter who” aren’t interested in Palestinians apart from the bad optics it brings to their liberal ideology.
Vote your conscience - but if you want to help Palestinians, you have to go outside the “formal” political channels (the “formal” political channels are all perfectly fine with the slaughter)… just like the people who protested the Vietnam War.
Children in the foster care system. Absolutely the most vulnerable. So few care. No parades. No flags. No days, or weeks. No corporate acknowledgement, sincere or not.
Go ahead and downvote me. They’re used to it.
Go ahead and downvote me. They’re used to it.
I was fully with you until this bit.
Yeah, so unnecessary, made me want to remove my upvote (didn’t)
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Go ahead and downvote me. They’re used to it.
When you downvote me, this is who you’re really downvoting
One of the news stations in Texas has a “foster kid of the week” kind of article on their FB page. It’s so sad, these kids just want a mom and dad that love them. Always a bunch of thoughts and prayers in the comments section.
As a person who participated as a parent in the foster system in Texas, I’m here to say that its about as abusive and dysfunctional as you could possibly imagine. Kids get shuttled between foster homes at the whim of state administrators. The entire focus of the program is to minimize how much they spend. The well-being of the children is an absolute afterthought. You can and will be sued by the agency if you voice any kind of complaint or try to act in the best interest of the child in your care. And even in the middle of said lawsuit, they’ll try to assign you another kid, because their left-hand doesn’t know what their right-hand is doing.
Its a physical, financial, and emotional pain machine for everyone involved. Absolutely nightmarish.
On the other hand, you have “domestic adoption” which amounts to a bunch of expensive private agencies doing all the things CPS is supposed to be doing while CPS officials provide a rubber stamp. Significantly less traumatic for the people involved. But because the private system is entirely funded by the adoptive parents, you’re talking about spending $50-80k to cover the budgets of all these little independent agencies tasked with finding candidates, vetting households, and caring for expectant mothers.
The Texas model for adoption is the closest thing you can image to a full privatization of social services. It exists by, of, and for upper class predominantly white childless adults. I feel slimy every time I have to interact with it, and the only thing that keeps me going is the idea that I might be keeping some innocent kid out of the clutches of the disastrous public system.
My mother was in the texas foster system and told me the horrors she dealt with as a 9 year old.
Them too! Absolutely.
Literally nobody is performing gender-affirming surgery on minors. It’s difficult enough to get as an adult lmao
Uhm…yeah. Everybody is against gender affirming surgery for minors.
Contrary to what right-wing media likes to claim, it doesn’t happen.
What does happen for transgender youth is puberty blockers. That allows them to delay the hormonal changes of puberty so that they may make an easier physical transition, if they so choose, when they are an adult. In the meantime, trans girls can more easily tuck and won’t develop a 5 o’clock shadow or deep voice, trans boys will not be growing breasts or menstruating, and both retain more a more gender-ambiguous frame.
But puberty blockers have other uses besides gender-affirming care, and they’ve long been proven incredibly safe and non-permanent.
While I can see that early intervention with puberty blockers would help transgirls, it seems like transboys would need to take something more than just testosterone to get the height growth, once they reach the age of majority. HGH, maybe?
It’s interesting how much of the language around anti-trans rights centers around 'men pretending to be women, and they entirely forget about transmen.
I’m not a doctor, but my laymen understanding is that it doesn’t stop puberty, it just delays it. So they end up going through a normal puberty, just at a later age.
Ever heard of Project 2025?
It calls for barring transgender people from the military and to stop what it considers the “toxic normalization of transgenderism” across the government and American society. It seeks to abolish the president’s Gender Policy Council, “which it views as promoting abortion and the ‘new woke gender ideology,’”
its already happening my dude.
child labour is already legalized in many states queer rights are slowly being eroded away already.
Yeah, and this is all because of republican footholds in those states and the supreme court. If that happened during a democrat presidency, then what do you think would happen with a republican presidency?
blah blah. its funny how democrats can never accomplish anything good, just bad shit blamed on republicans, but when its republicans on power nothing can ever stop them from fucking everything up.
almost like the system itself is broken and electing a geriatric fascist is gonna fix nothing beyond the egos of people bothered by the other more crass fascist.
nothing but a good cop bad cop routine when in reality all cops are bastards.
…my guy, Trump wants me fired from my job and then summarily shot. Vote for the guy that doesn’t want that if you care, please.
i went through similar here and it was the “progressive” one who made it happen. capital will have their way regardless.
I think they’re vastly less than perfect and I don’t want any of this for Americans but I want outright fascism less.
if the line isnt drawn somewhere things will only get worse
Are we seriously using this as a wedge between one candidate or the other? I’d love to have full trans rights here like any other reasonable country but if the alternative is authoritarianism 2016 but with an actual plan this time then I’m not going to complain if I don’t get everything I want.
not a wedge. no wedge to be had if the current administration is already undermining it.
Okay, so you’re part of the all or nothing crowd. I’m glad the worst election year is being deluded by people that see things as only black or white. That is, if you’re not a troll. Either way, you’re doing Russia’s job for them and splintering the left further.
and you are part of the nothing or nothing crowd.
i live somewhere with free healthcare and i cant believe anything less than that is acceptable and normalized to you, let alone the cruel system you have rn. but please tell me how cruelty and genocide is worth defending so hard.
And disabled or chronically ill people!
I can’t wait to be on the chopping block!
I mean, almost unironically, except that I would hate to give fascists any satisfaction.
The most vulnerable person is a black trans woman, she is also a conservative, I did not think people like her existed until I met her.
She’s in the sunken place.
That’s where “best interests” diverges from “desired candidate”.
I think you mean masochistic attention seekers.
One fucking hundred percent this!
That requires ring wingers to have any sense of empathy, which they lack.
