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    to fight against the free democratic basic order,

    Wold be nice if “liberal democracy” consisted of anything that can be called democratic with a straight face - perhaps then Germany wouldn’t be one of Israel’s most vitriolic genocide enablers.

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        4 months ago

        You did know there’s a western-backed genocide being perpetrated in Palestine right now, right?

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            You mean… apart from the fact that Germany is funding, supporting and enabling Israel’s genocide?

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              But what does this have to do with democracy? If the elected parties fund a war, morally correct or not, it is still democracy as they were chosen. There are multiple German parties who oppose Israel, but they weren’t elected

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                But what does this have to do with democracy?

                I hate to be the one to break it to you - “liberal democracy” is about as “democratic” as the Soviet Union was “socialist.” Liberalism, capitalism and imperialism is violently incompatible with any society that can be described as democratic with a straight face - and always has been.

                If the elected parties fund a war, morally correct or not, it is still democracy as they were chosen.

                Did Germans collectively agree to this genocide that is being funded in their name? Do they even really know what is being done in their name?

                No?

                Then there’s absolutely nothing democratic about it, is it?

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                  Not all Germans have the same opinion, but a complete consensus isn’t needed, as long as there is a majority. And in Germany this majority is not that of a referendum but the elected parties, as it is unrealistic to have a referendum for every single decision and most countries have not learned how to handle referendums, but one can still make their own party, in fact that just recently happened, the party (BSW) was founded, got 6 percent in the election (which in Germany can actually get you in the government) and AFAIK they oppose non humanitarian aid completely. I don’t think there’s any country where the population knows exactly what the government is doing, so it’s unrealistic to ask that everyone knows what is happening (although this is a problem). There have been multiple demonstrations against Israel’s actions and I personally know people who oppose these actions, about as much how support them but the big majority of people I know don’t care that much. Also the second biggest party (which never was part of a government) thinks that (and it’s one of their main points) that the Islam is the biggest threat to the existence of Germany so you could probably find a lot of people who think that Palestine should be blown up.

                  Also one question, are you actually from Germany or have you just read these things? Because the politics, mentality and economics are a lot different to for example the USA so maybe something’s appear differently than they would look to a German.