Same Dems that seem to think the only trans issue in the States is sports adopting overt TERF shit. Not surprised.
Correlation does not equal causation believe it or not.
US 4B movement devolving IMMEDIATELY into horrific racism in
(the only women I have heard of this from in the real world are black)
Geinune question, can someone explain this to me? I clicked the link and the website isn’t very readable.
4B is a racist, essentialist, and totally non-intersectional feminist tendency that originated in SSouth KKKorea, but it actually is extremely fringe there. Your average citizen there would not know of it, but ignorant Western white women heard of it on TikTok and are now appropriating it and making a huge deal out of it to a point where women actually living in SK have had to respond to them stating that it’s not this craze in occupied KKKorea that they think it is.
Right on. Good looking out Angel, thanks for the clear and concise reply. That sounds like it could get really bad really fast.
it won’t be as terfy here as it has been elsewhere, right?
Depends who helps build the movement. If it’s completely ceded to TERFs then of course it will become TERFy.
Yes, and female separatist movements will always be built by TERFs. It’s why I posted my big letter comments.
There is no such a thing as a “rare female separatist movement that’s actually based and not bioessentialist.” The framing of female separatism and the way that such movements approach the dialectic when it comes to fighting patriarchy inherently entails that shit, and homophobia alongside racism are very common within it as well.
Female separatism is inherently gender essentialist. It also ends up being racist most of the time.
SAY IT AGAIN BUT LOUDER
FEMALE SEPARATISM IS INHERENTLY GENDER ESSENTIALIST! IT ALSO ENDS UP BEING RACIST MOST OF THE TIME!
YESSSS
yes
I don’t see how a movement based on gender essentialism instead of fighting against gender as a class would not become pure terf shit, this happens every single time. Even trans spaces that fall for this end up copying terf BS. It is inevitable when you boil everything down to an onthological evilness of the male condition and completely leave out how patriarchy functions as a system of gendered labor divisions, gendered privileges and self-policing of these classes that are coercively, arbitrarily and falsely tied to AGAB and harm everybody involved.
It’s a skill issue. If your feminist movement correctly identifies the past pitfalls of similar strategies and develops theory and propaganda to prevent itself from making the same mistake then it won’t be an issue.
edit:
4B is a logical conclusion to both a gender essentialist & class-based analysis of male supremacy. If patriarchy is a form of class rule by men that is reproduced through heterosexuality, then the logical conclusion is for the oppressed genders to organize and strike against it. But since having actual transfeminist principles is one of the weakest links of all cisfeminist movements, they tend towards incorrect essentialist explanations of their own oppression and make liberation impossible.
Dropping in to suggest a search keyword: political lesbianism
It’s a broadly similar concept from the second wave in the us. Might be worth looking in to for comparison nad analysis sake. Aight i’m out.
Thank you, comrade.
so basically terfism, and another example of the Dems moving rightward
How the hell is liberal feminists achieving (likely vulgar) sex-class consciousness moving rightward?! This is a tremendous opportunity for principled feminists to provide political education to radicalized women but instead everyone here would rather cede ground and let them become the feminist equivalent of Nazbols.
Anti-intersectional libs turning to TERFism… sounds about right.
They are massive TERFs
So it’s like feminist No Nut November, but all the time
They could have just called it the Volcel Police and saved time
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
Dunk on the IDF already. Doesn’t the Arab world deserve a break, especially on Hexbear?
Queer sex is still on the table though so all good
I just heard about this yesterday from the struggle session and now I feel like it’s already been a thing.
yeah 4B blew up on tiktok several months ago
Funnily enough, not many people in SSouth KKKorea actually know of this movement, and Western white women soying out over it have shunned the voices of South Korean women who have pointed this out in response to the craze. If you go up to your average citizen in occupied KKKorea and ask them if they’ve heard of the movement, they’ll most likely say no.
lol didnt know abt this part. ppl on tiktok were talking abt it like it was the biggest trend in South Korea. such a weird deception to be like “look, all the women in an East Asian country that isn’t China are doing gender essentialism but based, we have to uncritically copy them”
gender essentialism but based
Even this phrase being used mockingly really got me like
Bravo!
lol ty. im suspiciously good at channeling my cringy white woman energy
<-- me IRL
