∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name, kitty]

The other party could put up whatever shitty candidate they wanted whether they espouse the views of the population or not.

Like genocide! Or 99% of the other candidates facist policies. Or …

Did you mean “The Dems will not save you” as in no matter if they are in control or not, or as in because they weren’t elected? Neon is assuming the latter, but if you meant the former, then the entire argument is meaningless.

I wondered what you wrote, unfortunately it seems like it was on a different account as there is zero things in the (hexbear) modlog for this username.

This is the problem with hexbear: they lure you in with things like gaming and then you start agreeing with them that none should go hungry or homeless and once you realize it, you’ve become a trans redfash tankie gobbunist (/s)

Has it not? Has it not caused the death of 1 million people in Indonesia? Has it not caused 7 million excess deaths due to “shock-therapy” in Russia alone? Has it not caused the brutality, violence and oppression of the “dictatorships” that the CIA installed in Latin America? Has it not caused countless famines? Has it not caused the economic ruin of Africa and Latin America?

What happens if you turn this around?

The precise terminology of the US’s political system is unimportant. What is important is that wherever the recipes of [Liberalism] have been tried, the result has been violence, brutality, oppression, famine, economic ruin.

This is all true of course. So what then? Do you also reject Liberalism?

There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror — that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

Taken from https://redsails.org/the-two-terrors/

Maybe not. But we have to options: Socialism or Barbarism. Continuing with Capitalism is going to lead to a worse outcome, going with Socialism and working to halt climate change will result in a better outcome. Not a great one, not undoing everything in 5 years, but still a better outcome.

Probably not, but it will be able to prioritize things differently. Under socialism it doesn’t matter if it is profitable to build high-speed rail, or profitable to run it thereafter, the point isn’t to make money, the point is to transport people.

someone so adamantly argue in clear bad-faith against someone who actually knows what they are talking about

To be fair, it is working really well.

It’s Flying Squid, I don’t recommend engaging.

I think there is like one party in Folketinget that is even slightly left, Enhedslisten.

Yes. Soviet does mean council. I misinterpreted what you were saying.

I would probably call myself a marxist if tankies hadn’t so thoroughly stained the term.

So you’ve read Marx and Engles and agree with them?

Edit: I am also well aware that there were unions in the soviet union, hence the name

No actually. The Soviet Union was a union of national republics, hence the name.

I want to “throw” Soviet Democracy at you, but I haven’t finished my epub of it yet… I should get on it.
Oh, I have This Soviet World. Doesn’t go into as much detail, but does go over it.

I have no idea what you are talking about, Hexbear is clearly a furry instance. It’s in the name!

Neither of these links show OBJECTION accepting a genocide.

Not to belittle your point, but calling Marx a socialist and Engles a capitalist is a kin as calling Jesus a Christian who’s disciples were Jews.

Cowbee didn’t do that. Cowbee said that Engles was a Capitalist, i.e. he had Capital, I am reading it as if you are mistaking it for Liberal? Cowbee also didn’t call Marx a socialist.

Nope.

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Yea I haven’t. But it changes none of what I have said.

As always, it ends like this.