We need similar purges for misogynists

We need bait threads. Not only to lure out the worst offenders, but also to drive discussion that will reeducate everyone else. Purging isn’t enough. There needs to be site discourse, so that when someone points out misogyny, enough other people will recognize that they’re right to prevent a dogpile. Also people here need practice articulating why a comment is misogynistic, which will help with enforcement.

“Dialectical” just means there’s a feedback loop. In fact I’m pretty sure the word “dialectical” is just “dialog” as an adjective.

If you take a dialectical approach to self-improvement, it means you view the problem as a self-reinforcing feedback loop between a person’s thinking and behavior and their external situation, rather than blaming everything on their thinking and behavior alone while ignoring where it comes from.

The dialectical treatment approach is to talk to the person to try to understand the feedback loop, then look for points in the loop where intervention is possible, not only in their thinking and behavior but also in their external situation, to yield a gradual improvement over time.

the more we’re defederated, the less we’re able to defend ourselves when a meme like this gets blasted across the fediverse.

Also Tainanmen. Athough fatal clashes did occur on Chang’An avenue and elsewhere in the city, in which hundreds of civilians and a smaller number of soldiers died, witness testimony from numerous western journalists and diplomats and student organizers themselves who were in the square all night, has indicated that no one died in Tiananmen itself. A Spanish news crew even filmed crowds of students walking out of the square at the end of the night. The Tiananmen Square Massacre is a stunning example of a “big lie repeated often enough.”

The first link is a comprehensive article. I can link more on request.

our only defense is not getting divided, which is why this stuff scares me, seeing how easy it is.

I’m optimistic though, I think the red scare stuff is harder in real life, when people are in a real situation with other real people instead of alone at a screen.

on further thought, I’ll just add that I think we’re both defending ourselves and then taking each others’ defenses as attacks to defend against, and it’s a vicious cycle.

I still feel hurt over db0’s two posts tbh. It’s not even the meme, it’s the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.

I’m sorry I stressed you out and put you on the defensive. I actually felt the same way. I don’t think either of us intended it. From one communist to another, I hope there are no lasting hard feelings.

make wild accusations about people that want to disengage to bait them back in to defend themselves

ok.

afaik hexbear unanimously hates Gonzalo, which is throwing me off trying to interpret this comment. not being snarky

I didn’t mean to come off that aggressive. But in my own defense, you already told me, earlier in this exact comment chain, that you disagreed with the meme, so I figured it was obvious I was not accusing you of agreeing with it. That was my whole point: you shouldn’t equate hexbear venom in the comments under that meme with our normal, unprovoked behavior or act like you might get the same venom for whatever innocuous shit you would say. That’s still demonizing us.

I expanded both threads and ctrl-f’d your name, after you stressed the point. Everyone was civil with you. Maybe one person was a little stern. My comment with the image wasn’t even there yet when you gestured vaguely at hexbear and said “Well… this kinda shit.” What shit? The obvious interpretation was that you were referring to the very conspicuous hexbear dogpile against /u/db0’s meme and not to some lukewarm responses you got offscreen buried in the comments.

I was drafting a conciliatory response when I saw this comment. I still apologize for how my earlier comment came off. I was not saying that meme represented your feelings. I was emphasizing that it didn’t, and pointing out how inflammatory something has to be for hexbear to come down on it this hard.

[Picture of people being massacred in a pool of their own blood] — “modern online MLs will do this to you in the future if you believe their lies, do not trust them!”

it’s all in good fun though, right tankies I would totally organize with in real life?

take what you give

who broadcast a meme to all of lemmy arguing that modern MLs are treacherous murderers who must be defeated in real life?

I don’t know much about the Hungarian uprising. If the Soviet response was unjustified and draconian when they could have worked something out, that’s fucked up.

Do you have any reading recommendations?

You said “…Well, this kinda shit” and I pointed out what “this kinda shit” was in response to

I don’t usually comment because of… Well, this kinda shit

Were you gonna comment something like this? *Edit: Because this is what we are responding to, and what you were getting lumped in with in the other thread. Unless this is what you are holding your tongue from saying while you lurk hexbear, then you’re gonna be fine, you don’t need to be fucking terrified of posting on hexbear if you can be respectful.

I’m a real person in the year 2023, I’m not some caricature from 1920.

the meme being posted was “modern MLs are bloodthirsty monsters who will kill you if they ever get in power”

When you view a group as evil, that view tends to result in double standards for behavior, which is what you’re doing.

I’m probably going to dip because I’m too mad to be civil right now

anarchists wrong and evil

not only is that not what we said, but db0 actually said that about us

This was what you posted https://i.imgur.com/RDl2sOZ.png

what part of db0’s crosspost was calling for good faith discussion? Did you look at it? https://lemmy.ml/comment/5783449

I think competition — actual competition, not “5 megacorps own everything” competition — can be useful in some cases, but keep in mind that competition does not necessarily incentivize good products. With food, for example, competition incentivizes addictive, unhealthy shit. With social media, same thing. With labor, it incentivizes exploitation, because whichever company squeezes the most work out of people for the lowest pay outcompetes everyone else. You can ameliorate these shitty incentive structures by putting workers and communities in charge of production, rather than owners and shareholders who want to maximize profit at the expense of any other metric.