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      Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

      So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.

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        The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for “report abuse” because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods’ fee-fees.

        In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.

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          Lmao, I reported genocidal comments in r/worldnews and was site banned for the same reason.

          I had 4 reports total, 2 were acted on and the other 2 were pretty blatant calls to violence.

          It’s actually what made me quit Reddit.

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            Meanwhile I got no questions asked appeal denied lifetime banned from Reddit for saying “I should totally be allowed to punch Nazis”.

            I always mentally append “Nazi sympathizers” to reddit now…

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      It’s full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won’t read and will just respond “What are you even talking about?” because they’ve already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden’s laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he’s one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He’ll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn’t benefit from paying more.

      But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.

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    I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.

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        I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it’s refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.

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        We need to elect PhDs who have proven intellectual rigor and base decisions off data. The current setup is nothing more than a soap opera ran off corporate donations.

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          No, what we need is for all politicians to have served as teachers, professional childcare providers or medical professionals for at least five years before they can run for federal or state office.

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    Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a “both sides” thing.

    I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.

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      There’s a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of “both sides” blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden “Genocide Joe” or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden’s policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump’s policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.

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        Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as “both sides”.

        Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.

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          I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.

          The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.

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            I’m willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I’ve been accused of making “both sides” arguments many, many times. It’s almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.

            I don’t disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or “uni-party” arguments. However, it’s also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.

            I’m just pointing out of that it’s really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it’s not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.

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              Show us this “serious criticism”. It needs to be:

              • sourced, or very well established facts, i.e. winner of an election (not including The Big Lie of course)
              • longer than one paragraph
              • have an original point

              Bernie Bros are a thing. Not that you’re a Bernie Bro, just that - Trump-supporting Bernie people most definitely exist and are famous for crapping in threads. As a Bernie person myself, I don’t mean offense, I’m saying it’s easy to say “hey i’m a progressive, but Biden sucks” and that’s actually what we’re calling out here. That’s a russian troll mainstay. Actual reasoned criticism is . . . rare at best.

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                Bernie Bros are a thing.

                Please try and apply your criteria to that statement. Write it up with multiple paragraphs with ample citations, add something original to it, then, frankly, shove it up your ass.

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    I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.

    Any day now…

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      There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it to go wrong. It’s kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.

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      Everybody thinks they’ll come out on top after a “revolution” but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That’s kind of their jam.

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          AAAAnd China. The progressive communist revolution was pioneered by young and ambitious urban intellectuals to fight against warlords, Foreign imperialism, and old China; later also the attempted dictatorship of Chiang Kai-shek. Unfortunately, their hard work was eventually hijacked by conservatives and dictators.

          A bit of fun fact: after the communist revolution and cultural revolution, China was slowly stepping towards democracy, through internal CCP reform:

          called for the end of bureaucracy, centralisation of power as well as patriarchy, proposing term limits to the leading positions in China and advocating the “democratic centralism” as well as the “collective leadership”.

          Deng emphasized that the Constitution must be able to protect the civil rights of Chinese citizens and must reflect the principle of separation of powers; he also described the idea of “collective leadership” and championed the principle of “one man, one vote” among leaders to avoid the dictatorship of the General Secretary of CCP.

          Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre. And the political power fallen into the hand of the conservatives.

          after the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, many leading reformists including Zhao and Bao were removed from their posts, and the majority of the planned political reforms (after 1986) ended drastically. Left-wing conservatives led by Chen Yun, President Li Xiannian and Premier Li Peng took control

          The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened or arrested after Tiananmen Square massacre:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Ziyang

          lost power for his support of the 1989 Tian’anmen Square protests.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Qili

          he was purged for his sympathy toward the student protesters and his support for General Secretary Zhao Ziyang’s opposition to the use of armed force.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Tong

          During the 1989 Tian’anmen square protests, he was one of the very few Chinese senior officials to express understandings with the demonstrating students, which led to his arrest shortly before the June Fourth incident.

          So there might be a bizarre alternative world, where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy…

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            The bizarre alternative world isn’t even where the protests didn’t happen, it’s where agents of foreign governments and local fanatics didn’t hijack/build them up with the explicit goal of producing as much bloodshed as possible.

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              I was hoping tankies won’t have a conspiracy theory about one of the most tragic event of human kind, but I guess I overestimated humanity.

              These were well-educated, progressive, and ambitious students, passionated about a brighter future for China. They share the same vision and drive as the founding members of CCP. And they are more passionate about communism than all the tankies I have seen, and willing to sacrifice their life for their admirable goals.

              Their requirements has always been simple and clear: build a progressive democratic government in Hu Yaobang’s vision, and purge the conservatives like Li Peng from CCP, which is founded upon a progressive vision of China. Thus, they are needlessly and brutally murdered by conservatives who seek to stabilize their own power.

              If you work for the CCP, I doubt I will be able to project any sense into your brain. I can only hope these word might be helpful for readers of your comments to gain some context.

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                Okay, I guess Chai Ling never existed and the multiple admitted connections to western regime change programs of three letter agencies are all cpc propaganda?

                It’s one thing to say that the events are tragic and that it would have been good if dengist students could have implemented reforms, a sentiment I mostly agree with, it’s another entirely to suggest that there was no manipulation towards violence by people either directly or indirectly tied to western intelligence operations.

                E: autocorrect dengist -> dentist where’s my denguin holding a pick hexbear emoji?

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    I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.

    All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?

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            “President Joe Biden unveiled another round in his steady drip of student debt write-offs on Thursday, announcing that 78,000 public sector workers would not have to repay $6 billion in loans. … Biden’s previous loan cancellation plan was ruled illegal by the Supreme Court. However, his more recent debt transfers rest on a different legal authority than the original, $400 billion-plus plan.”

            Emphasis mine. Literally cut his own demands by two orders of magnitude because he didn’t want to pack the court. I’m very glad those small fraction of borrowers got some relief. We all deserve that.

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    But Biden ended up building the border wall? Also pushing loan forgiveness is neutralized by the fact that he restarted loan payments.

    I can list dozens of other trump-era bullshit Biden maintained, but it’s tiring.

    I feel like I’ve been having this same conversation for a decade, after watching Obama demotivate the base by maintaining/expanding Bush’s policies, while republicans and democrats insist that he actually implemented socialism.

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      To my knowledge the only sections of wall he’s built were funded by Trump’s Congress before he left office. Meaning he had little choice but to spend the money on what Congress appropriated it for.

      I don’t know about you, but I’d rather not live in a world where someone like Trump can just decide he doesn’t want to spend portions of the money Congress appropriated. He could just suddenly decide that the federal government isn’t going to pay like Medicaid or SNAP.

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        this is basically what he tried to do with money for ukraine. refusing to give it till he got tit for tat. Its funny that alciholicorn is continuing the exact crazy type of arguments that the screenshot highlights.

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    I honestly don’t get the hate against Biden. From what I’ve seen, he’s old and he’s done a whole lot of good, more than the average democratic president.

    Him being the choice over Trump should be an obvious, nearly anyone over Trump is the better choice, so what the hell is wrong with these people wanting to vote trump or not vote at all just to stick it to Biden?

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      I honestly don’t get the hate against Biden.

      I hate on Biden, even though I believe he is a good president overall. My hate stems for the very obvious (maybe petty) reason:

      He is the wrong direction. The way to beat fascism is by being bold, progressive and forward thinking. Biden is basically the “let’s play it safe” candidate. All well and good, but clearly he did not reduce the appetite for fascism.

      And yes, I think Bernie would have.

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        I agree almost entirely. Boldness is the way to defeat fascism, and Biden is not bold enough.

        At the same time, I do think there is a caveat. Reducing the appetite for fascism is reliant on success, and, if I am being honest, fucking no one was going to be successful in this political climate with this Congress and electorate. If Bernie flounders, progressivism is discredited, even if it’s not at all his fault; even if he, individually, is doing the best anyone could be expected to do. If Biden, who is very much a moderate on most issues, flounders, appetite for change increases.

        There’s a sick calculus in politics that, though you as a voter should always vote for the best candidate who has a serious chance to win, in objective analysis, the best candidate winning isn’t always the best thing for the cause.

        I voted for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and if the 2024 primary was at all serious instead of locked-in to the incumbent, seriously speaking, I would vote for him in 2024 too, just to be clear.

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      Prior to being the VP and now President, he had a long political career as an establishment corporate Democrat. His home state is where almost all US usury is headquartered, and he consistently sold out the American people to those corporations. He sponsored the bill removing bankruptcy options from student loans, sided with the banks and credit card companies on interest rates and fees, was a war hawk, and was more than “it was just how it was at the time” racist.

      Essentially every bit of the “whole lot of good” has been an 11th hour change of heart and fixing problems he was more than complicit in creating. Add to that the DNC manipulation to block other candidates, and you have the South Park special of a Douche vs. a Turd Sandwich.

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        You like “usury” don’t ya. The word. I noticed you used it a couple of times already.

        Usury. Has some weight to it, doesn’t it. Some heft. It’s got . . . connotations.

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          Do you have a better word for lending money and charging exorbitant interest rates, fees, or conditions to unjustly enrich the lender? I could just call them legally gray loan sharks, which they are, but the laws surrounding the governance of money lending are actually called usury laws. That’s why I used the term. I think the Banks and Credit companies that have bled the countries bottom 50% dry and have nearly succeeded in eliminating the middle class qualify for the label, but you do you.

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    i know you hate to hear this but its all symbolic cherrypicked stuff.

    did he stop the concentration camps for mexicans at the border? or the genocide in gaza? did he rollback anything that matters?

    democrats always pretend to be doing shit since i remember, but don’t actually get anything done at all. then republicans inevitably come and push the country further into fascism, rinse repeat.

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      Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.

      Not sure why so many of you folks just scream “AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.” and run away babbling into the distance.

      There is that legitimate third choice where we continue to push after the election. Biden has shown he will listen. Seems like a plan.

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        AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.

        i literally didnt say this. we are not saying this.

        Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.

        i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.

        come join me at any revolutionary leftist organization, or a good union if you truly want to enact actual change. this is the momentum we need, participating in the theather wont make that much difference.

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          i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.

          A right-wing genocidal maniac? You do hear yourself right. You sound like a russian troll. It reads like russian troll comments. If it also just so happens to coincidentally mirror your political position perfectly, then. Ok.

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    The funny thing is that while Trump got constant media attention for personally saying and doing a lot of inappropriate things that past Republican presidents wouldn’t have, he was actually a fairly normal Republican president in terms of the federal government’s major policies during his term. I suppose he wasn’t actually very interested in the unglamorous business of government and left it to other, less unconventional members of his party.

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      This isn’t true in the slightest. Trump absolutely destroyed federal government policies. What presidency were you watching? Bush didn’t do anything even close to this much damage to the federal government. Not since Reagan. And that’s honestly being generous to Reagan, because he did a lot of federal government damage.

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    Careful, you’re going to upset the tankie hive mind. Then they’ll report you until your comments are removed for violating some vague unexplained rule.

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      That’s the thing, Trump did accomplish something - he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible. One can act like an autocrat and actually get things done. He showed that being cut throat to accomplish your political ends is possible even when in power.

      Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process… Then came Trump. Trump’s accomplishment was showing the world what radical rightwing politics could do.

      Now we have imitators around the world and new strains of fascism.

      Many on the left feel like similar is in order on the left. So don’t blame the tankies, as they’re as much a product of the times as anything else… And it’s quite easy to want a radical leader when it’s this obvious that the system is no longer efficient at serving the will of the people… Or should I say, the will of the left.

      RIP Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. Hopefully we’ll get someone similar, but we won’t get there without making the demand clear as possible.

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        Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process

        Obama didn’t decide anything. The GOP had majority. They stonewalled his nomination.

        Obama’s mistake was to not give a forced ‘thank you for your service, you deserve rest’ to RBG when DNC had majority.

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    he constantly flirted with WW3

    How?

    If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?

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    I’m pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.

    He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.

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      I genuinely think that the only reason so many people aren’t able to admit that is because of Gaza.

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        I deduct credit from a President if they are primarily fixing problems that they themselves caused or greatly assisted in creating throughout their previous political career. In Biden’s case, that means that he is unlikely to get better than absolute neutral due to his incredibly long history of selling out the American people.

        I will not give Biden an 11th hour passing grade just because he is up against Trump, he doesn’t deserve to be graded on a curve.

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          Eh, this is a bit too “moving the finish line” for me. In a super long political career, attitudes shift. I don’t think you can judge someone for, say, cheering about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (a win for it’s time, but now seen as a crappy half measure) as long as their attitudes shifted. That’s kind of how politics works. 100 years from now current liberal attitudes will be looked down on because they aren’t progressive enough. That’s sort of the definition of progress.

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            So if I spend my life being a right bastard, like 50 straight years of kicking dogs, stealing from old ladies, being a slum lord and extorting people, breaking people’s legs in mafia style protection rackets, dumping toxic industrial byproducts into rivers, and using my wealth and power to keep and enforce “sundown laws”, but then in my 60s open an animal shelter, fund bingo nights and retirement centers, set up community reinvestment grants, sponsor efforts to get the wetlands to get cleaned up as a Superfund site, and get diversity and equality training implemented for the police department, would I then be considered to be a good person because my attitude shifted? The thousands of people I hurt and potentially indirectly killed over those 50 years don’t count against the good I am now doing?

            Even simpler, if I steal and destroy your car, causing you to lose your job because you don’t have transportation which then causes you to lose your home, should I then be praised for giving you a nicer brand new car a year later?

            Sticking to politics in case that’s the only place this kind of behavior gets a pass, what if someone didn’t cheer for Don’t Ask Don’t Tell but instead had sponsored bills undoing limitations or bans on gay conversion therapy. Does later supporting a bill making conversion therapy illegal undo the suicides and trauma they inflicted because their apparent attitude has changed? Are they now equal to the person who spent their entire career pushing for gay rights, because this person supported strengthening of domestic partnership laws instead of marriage equality 20-30 years ago? They both support gay rights now, so is saying that the first person is doing the bare minimum and shouldn’t really be called an ally “moving the finish line”?

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    Ok. So orange man is a fucking maniac.

    But rejoining the Paris agreement is just dumb without intention or interest of fulfilling it. So many countries have signed it just for show. Leaving it and calling it bullshit virtue signalling is actually better.

    Look at the statistics for the countries. It’s not doing anything than green washing.

    The other points is probably true and great. But the Paris agreement is pure trash.

    • Damn. I was mistaken. Guess promises will solve the climate crisis. Not action.
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    Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?