I feel like there are many devs out there who expose a lot of personal details and opinions all over the web. Maybe it’s just me, but when starting out with the internet I tried my best to separate my personal details (name, age, sex, country, ethnicity, family ties, relationship status,…) from usernames in public.
Seeing devs do it willingly and voice opinions on divisive or sensitive topics kind of messes with me. Aren’t y’all afraid of missing out on job opportunities if someone reads your opinions, code, or other stuff tied to your personal accounts? Or letting anybody (maybe family, friends, acquaintances, …) in on your personal life, mindset, opinions and other personal information?
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Can we please stop with the license crap attached to posts? It’s annoying and also pointless.
It will be funny when all the LLMs start posting it in their responses at least.
I heard that there is a person making a bot to pull all linked comments/posts to the Anti AI license stuff as a joke. To train a LLM and create more comments.
This is a strange world.
I mean tbh they’re free to do as they wish as long as they’re abiding by our TOS and guidelines
While adding a CC license on a comment is questionable on the aspect of viability, it doesn’t violate any of our community rules
Please do not gatekeep unless you see justification for the prevention of something
Is it gatekeeping if they voice their disapproval? Is any form of disapproval gatekeeping? Where is the line?
They didn’t ask them to stop posting or participating. Wouldn’t that be the line where it crosses to gatekeeping?
They asked them not to attach the CC notice. It didn’t address their content.
You’re annoying and pointless.
Please do not make personal attacks,
- as they will not help progress your case in adding CC licenses to your post/comments
My bad.
I’m not trying to make a case for the licence. I’m just adding it to my comments yet people keep feeling it necessary to harass me about it. The list of people I’ve blocked for mocking me about it has become quite long. Should I start reporting them?
Did you consider OP comment harassment?
Why are you adding it? It’s not valid. You don’t own the content you post online anymore. They’re copies of your original content, to which you’ve already granted whatever license the website uses. You can’t re-license those particular copies, it’s out of your hands.
The poster licensing to the platform is not the same as licensing to the public.
This instance
programming.devToS declares:2.2. By submitting, posting, or displaying user content on our services, you grant us a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, distribute, and display such user content.
Distribution and displaying with attribution follows CC BY and SA. NC currently probably does - but may or may not (currently accepts donations).
The ToS only defines the license to distribute and display. It does not define how users and consumers of that distribution may or may not use the content.
So from this instance alone, there could be an argument of “the comment defines how it may be used”.
But I’m not sure that holds given that federated distribution goes to other instances with different terms. For those that don’t define how content may be consumed, it may be a reasonable argument. For those that define it in a conflicting manner, the ToS may override the content CC claim. Given the federated, distributed nature, given that you can reasonably expect such a conflict, there’s a question of whether it holds in the first place if you can expect conflict invalidating it.
Either way, it’s a convoluted mess, and incredibly noisy. Lemmy content has a language attribute. If there’s a need for a license, it should be a metadata attribute in the same manner.
The ToS only defines the license to distribute and display. It does not define how users and consumers of that distribution may or may not use the content. So from this instance alone, there could be an argument of “the comment defines how it may be used”.
No, there can’t. If the ToS doesn’t give you any permissions it means you have none.
When you post something you give the site a copy of content, under the license in the ToS. From that moment onward you lose all rights to that copy and cannot re-license or do anything with it anymore, period. It’s not your piece of content anymore, it’s the site’s.
Your original piece of content is still yours and you hold copyright. That’s the piece that you were holding on your device, in your RAM or on your disk, before you posted it. If you held onto a copy of it you have full rights to it. If you lost it after you posted it, too bad.
The site cannot re-license their copy under different terms because it doesn’t hold copyright, it only holds a license (albeit under very wide terms).
Other users are not included in the license. They can’t do anything with the content except what’s allowed under personal use.
If any of that is part of the hiring process - I don’t want the job.
If HR is incompetent enough to consider things like relationship status or political opinions then what other bullshit policies does the company have? It’s probably the tip of the iceberg.
By far most important thing is to have good colleagues, because without good colleagues your job will be miserable or the company will not last (or both). Made the mistake of working for a shitty job at high pay once and it was one of the worst decisions of my life.
Don’t waste your life working for incompetent companies.
Also, as someone who has hired devs… if you have a public profile, and it doesn’t make you look hopelessly incompetent, then your application is going onto my shortlist. Too many applications cross my desk to look at all of them properly, so a lot of good candidates won’t even get considered. But if there’s a GitHub or similar profile, I’m going to open it, and if I see green squares… you’ve got my attention.
You’ll get my attention wether the username matches your real name or not, but bonus points if it’s your real name. Openness leads to trust. And trust is criitcal.
I’m not sure I’d attach any meaning to real names online. There’s a whole group of us whose online names are just things they thought were neat when they were 12. And they’ve just stuck forever. There’s lot of reasons.
But otherwise, yeah. I’ll spend ten minutes looking up someone’s online profile. Mostly for GitHub if I can find it. If someone’s commenting on public prs and seems nice that’s a big signal.
An employer is unlikely to waste time on deep candidate analysis. If they see you as a public code contributor, it’s an upside in activity, experience, and conversation starter, and discussion points for any interviews. If they look at your code, it won’t be deep. I doubt they would go through the effort of correlating from a public coder profile (e.g. on GitHub) to a Lemmy profile and then look at their posts.
Once they’re at the point where that would be a reasonable investment, they already know you personally and don’t care about online content anymore.
Maybe some big companies use online analysis tools though.
Anyway, I know what I’m worth as a developer/an employed. I don’t think I post that kind of divisive or sensitive stuff that does or possibly should be related to my employment and work. If they see it as such, then I’m fine with it not being a match.
I actually think the public nature could and should be upsides. Related to work or not.
Generally speaking, my approach is “on the internet no one knows you’re a dog”. I tend to containerize my activity and keep as much PII away from the internet as possible.
I have a few accounts on the fediverse because otherwise the conjunction of regional data, interests and languages would easily identify me. Not that i generally do dumb stuff (but i can easily get flagged if i touch… hot topics, you must pander to certain groups otherwise you’re immediately the villain, very free the fediverse), it’s just that the internet hasn’t quite evolved the way i was expecting it 30 years ago and surveillance capitalism is now a thing, among other factors. I provide as little and as fake information as possible when creating accounts.
As far as the professional sphere goes, all recruiters will ever see is a simple LinkedIn profile. I don’t have much time to do pet projects, unfortunately, and certainly wouldn’t host them on github - forgejo and codeberg ftw.
Totally agree on the sensitive or decisive topics point, but I include a caveat that what some people call “sharing decisive viewpoints in public”, others call “not hiding their gender/sexual orientation”, and similar things, so it’s not always perfectly clear cut.
I try to avoid being inflammatory in general, anonymous or not, and I’m not perturbed if people know my city, industry, trade, and vague interests. Basically what you could figure out from a polite conversation while waiting in line.
I’ve got a lot of code up on GitHub, and some of it is absolute garbage. If an employer judges me poorly for sharing my pile of one-off scripts, or “basic human decency and lack of respect for neo Nazis in a casual setting”, then I frankly probably don’t care to work for them.
Admittedly, other than a script that automates figuring out which web hosts are hosting hate groups, there’s not much political content in my software.I do alright, so my system seems to work.
My open source work is published under my real name because I feel like if someone is running my code, they should know who I am? Also it helps with my CV and such. I don’t go into politics or anything controversial though, keep it pretty professional.
Don’t you feel people’s public profiles only contain purposely perfect code and not what they’re actually going to do on a daily basis? Why doesn’t everyone just take your code and use it as their own, for their CV, without crediting you? I don’t think I’d trust a person’s public profile as it would be way too easy to just fake it.
Implying perfect code exists anywhere.
It’s also trivially easy to tell if you’re presenting someone else’s work as your own. In an interview, you ask about their projects. Those would be very easy (and often fun) for the actual creator to answer, and not for anyone else.
