They posted an inflammatory meme meant to stir shit up between folks that share 99% of the same values and should be working together instead of having slapfights on the internet about shit that happened 100 years ago under entirely different material conditions, and for the record I piled on against them too as did some of our other anarchist comrades because it was reddit tier brainrot. If someone post a meme similarly lazily and unfunnily making the same joke about “anarkiddies” we would remove it and chastise the poster.
What do you want me to say? Sorry I’m not as angey as your standards demand? That all that dogpiling and toxic behavior was chill and fine because of a fucky meme? I declare hexbear.net the sovereign leader of all of leftism, I’ll say whatever you want, just chill tf out
I’m very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
The removal of downvotes on our end mean people have to actually make the effort to tell you that you are wrong and why, and not just downvote and move on.
Trust me it is a much better system than downvotes, we have had a long time with developing policies to foster productive discussion.
When someone is so aggressively wrong or clearly posting troll bait, then of course they will perceive the pushback as aggressive as well.
I lurk on hexbear often. I don’t usually comment because of… Well, this kinda shit, since it is hard to describe.
And I don’t need you to explain to me how you think I’m misunderstanding how aggressive you are. I can form my own opinions about how aggressive hexbear user behavior is.
I don’t usually comment because of… Well, this kinda shit
Were you gonna comment something like this? *Edit: Because this is what we are responding to, and what you were getting lumped in with in the other thread. Unless this is what you are holding your tongue from saying while you lurk hexbear, then you’re gonna be fine, you don’t need to be fucking terrified of posting on hexbear if you can be respectful.
I’m a real person in the year 2023, I’m not some caricature from 1920.
Edit to clarify: Because that is what “this kinda shit” is in response to. If you aren’t about to post something like /u/db0 posted then you aren’t about to get the response that /u/db0 has gotten.
Motherfucker you responded to me. To my comments. You are actively doing this kind of shit right now without me saying any of that. If you wanna complain about the meme go do it to someone who agrees with it.
I didn’t mean to come off that aggressive. But in my own defense, you already told me, earlier in this exact comment chain, that you disagreed with the meme, so I figured it was obvious I was not accusing you of agreeing with it. That was my whole point: you shouldn’t equate hexbear venom in the comments under that meme with our normal, unprovoked behavior or act like you might get the same venom for whatever innocuous shit you would say. That’s still demonizing us.
I expanded both threads and ctrl-f’d your name, after you stressed the point. Everyone was civil with you. Maybe one person was a little stern. My comment with the image wasn’t even there yet when you gestured vaguely at hexbear and said “Well… this kinda shit.” What shit? The obvious interpretation was that you were referring to the very conspicuous hexbear dogpile against /u/db0’s meme and not to some lukewarm responses you got offscreen buried in the comments.
I was drafting a conciliatory response when I saw this comment. I still apologize for how my earlier comment came off. I was not saying that meme represented your feelings. I was emphasizing that it didn’t, and pointing out how inflammatory something has to be for hexbear to come down on it this hard.
You are acting condescending right now, assuming I can’t possibly have valid opinions about hexbear based on anything else I might have seen. You’ve decided my entire opinion has to be based on this and the previous thread, I guess because I used a vague phrase instead of detailing all the ways different individual hexbear users can be condescending and not worth getting invloved talking to. I very much regret getting involved in this part of the conversation too, but that is another thing hexbear users often do, make wild accusations about people that want to disengage to bait them back in to defend themselves.
I’m also not required to only judge based on how people treat me directly! Seeing how people treat other people is indicative.
I’m certain I said something wrong by mistake in this that you can dig into and write a whole essay about how it makes me the worst lib in the world but
I’m only gunna bother with one more comment here, @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net and @Nakoichi@hexbear.net sorry you don’t get responses, I’m fuckin tired and done with people. Anyone who comments at me about this shit after this comment I’m just going to ignore and block.
on further thought, I’ll just add that I think we’re both defending ourselves and then taking each others’ defenses as attacks to defend against, and it’s a vicious cycle.
I still feel hurt over db0’s two posts tbh. It’s not even the meme, it’s the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.
I’m sorry I stressed you out and put you on the defensive. I actually felt the same way. I don’t think either of us intended it. From one communist to another, I hope there are no lasting hard feelings.
Idk if you are just messing with me now but I’ll say it again: I didn’t like that meme either. Don’t fucking try to “gotcha” me with it or its points again because I don’t fucking agree with it
I don’t comment on hexbear because I don’t want to be talked down to and disrespected for no reason. Many users are extremely condescending and rude.
“this kinda shit” is in reference to these comments you and other hexbear users are making right now.
That is another thing that seems to happen on hexbear often. Wild misinterpretations of what people are trying to say, and regrettable arguments based entirely on misunderstandings.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Did you not read that fucking thread? He won’t explain anything! I still have no idea who the Chinese “intellectuals” he is crying for are unless he means literal rightists.
I’m very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
I mean i am on hb since the start and criticism of anything ml was always met with aggression, not only if it was inflammatory. That1s why joeysteel was banned for starters.
They posted an inflammatory meme meant to stir shit up between folks that share 99% of the same values and should be working together instead of having slapfights on the internet about shit that happened 100 years ago under entirely different material conditions, and for the record I piled on against them too as did some of our other anarchist comrades because it was reddit tier brainrot. If someone post a meme similarly lazily and unfunnily making the same joke about “anarkiddies” we would remove it and chastise the poster.
What do you want me to say? Sorry I’m not as angey as your standards demand? That all that dogpiling and toxic behavior was chill and fine because of a fucky meme? I declare hexbear.net the sovereign leader of all of leftism, I’ll say whatever you want, just chill tf out
I’m very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
The removal of downvotes on our end mean people have to actually make the effort to tell you that you are wrong and why, and not just downvote and move on.
Trust me it is a much better system than downvotes, we have had a long time with developing policies to foster productive discussion.
When someone is so aggressively wrong or clearly posting troll bait, then of course they will perceive the pushback as aggressive as well.
Yes I know about the downvote situation.
I lurk on hexbear often. I don’t usually comment because of… Well, this kinda shit, since it is hard to describe.
And I don’t need you to explain to me how you think I’m misunderstanding how aggressive you are. I can form my own opinions about how aggressive hexbear user behavior is.
Were you gonna comment something like this? *Edit: Because this is what we are responding to, and what you were getting lumped in with in the other thread. Unless this is what you are holding your tongue from saying while you lurk hexbear, then you’re gonna be fine, you don’t need to be fucking terrified of posting on hexbear if you can be respectful.
I’m a real person in the year 2023, I’m not some caricature from 1920.
Motherfucker you responded to me. To my comments. You are actively doing this kind of shit right now without me saying any of that. If you wanna complain about the meme go do it to someone who agrees with it.
I didn’t mean to come off that aggressive. But in my own defense, you already told me, earlier in this exact comment chain, that you disagreed with the meme, so I figured it was obvious I was not accusing you of agreeing with it. That was my whole point: you shouldn’t equate hexbear venom in the comments under that meme with our normal, unprovoked behavior or act like you might get the same venom for whatever innocuous shit you would say. That’s still demonizing us.
I expanded both threads and ctrl-f’d your name, after you stressed the point. Everyone was civil with you. Maybe one person was a little stern. My comment with the image wasn’t even there yet when you gestured vaguely at hexbear and said “Well… this kinda shit.” What shit? The obvious interpretation was that you were referring to the very conspicuous hexbear dogpile against /u/db0’s meme and not to some lukewarm responses you got offscreen buried in the comments.
I was drafting a conciliatory response when I saw this comment. I still apologize for how my earlier comment came off. I was not saying that meme represented your feelings. I was emphasizing that it didn’t, and pointing out how inflammatory something has to be for hexbear to come down on it this hard.
You are acting condescending right now, assuming I can’t possibly have valid opinions about hexbear based on anything else I might have seen. You’ve decided my entire opinion has to be based on this and the previous thread, I guess because I used a vague phrase instead of detailing all the ways different individual hexbear users can be condescending and not worth getting invloved talking to. I very much regret getting involved in this part of the conversation too, but that is another thing hexbear users often do, make wild accusations about people that want to disengage to bait them back in to defend themselves.
I’m also not required to only judge based on how people treat me directly! Seeing how people treat other people is indicative.
I’m certain I said something wrong by mistake in this that you can dig into and write a whole essay about how it makes me the worst lib in the world but
I’m only gunna bother with one more comment here, @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net and @Nakoichi@hexbear.net sorry you don’t get responses, I’m fuckin tired and done with people. Anyone who comments at me about this shit after this comment I’m just going to ignore and block.
on further thought, I’ll just add that I think we’re both defending ourselves and then taking each others’ defenses as attacks to defend against, and it’s a vicious cycle.
I still feel hurt over db0’s two posts tbh. It’s not even the meme, it’s the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.
I’m sorry I stressed you out and put you on the defensive. I actually felt the same way. I don’t think either of us intended it. From one communist to another, I hope there are no lasting hard feelings.
ok.
Wtf? No?
Idk if you are just messing with me now but I’ll say it again: I didn’t like that meme either. Don’t fucking try to “gotcha” me with it or its points again because I don’t fucking agree with it
I don’t comment on hexbear because I don’t want to be talked down to and disrespected for no reason. Many users are extremely condescending and rude.
You said “…Well, this kinda shit” and I pointed out what “this kinda shit” was in response to
“this kinda shit” is in reference to these comments you and other hexbear users are making right now.
That is another thing that seems to happen on hexbear often. Wild misinterpretations of what people are trying to say, and regrettable arguments based entirely on misunderstandings.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Comments like defending ourselves against misinformation? Or is it because of the amount of comments?
Did you not read that fucking thread? He won’t explain anything! I still have no idea who the Chinese “intellectuals” he is crying for are unless he means literal rightists.
I mean i am on hb since the start and criticism of anything ml was always met with aggression, not only if it was inflammatory. That1s why joeysteel was banned for starters.
Yeah, he was banned for being too aggressive you fucking nitwit, i.e. violating community norms
Irony is dead
There are different levels of hostility and this isn’t that community