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I’m gonna sound like a fringe conspiracy theorist here, but you guys, What if this was no random accident? What if someone intentionally made the plane crash? But who? And why?
Nonsense. The plane obviously accidentally collided with a surface-to-air missile that was randomly flying at the aircraft’s vicinity. Nothing to see here, move on.
Must have been the wind.
Somebody left the window open, plane fell out.
It was shot down by Russian air defense.
that’s the joke
No… it can’t be…
Best reply ever
Impressive Russia was able to push an entire plane out of a high rise window.
If only America knew about this trick before 9/11
It was Novichok-ing the tires…
they put polonium-210 in the engines
Hexbear and default lemmy libs coming together to laugh at prigozhin getting merced is so goddamn funny lmao.
Literally the no more brother wars meme
Gotta take a moment to appreciate the little things
Putin 🤝 Hexbear 🤝 Lemmy
Default lemmy libs are happy the leader of a war-crimes-for-hire org is dead.
Hexbear smoothbrains are happy that daddy Putin murdered a political rival.
We are not the same.
Nah i’m happy that another war criminal Nazi is dead, literally no hexbear user likes either prigozhin or putin
Oh, I must have had you confused for another group. Thanks for the correction.
All hexbear users are communists or anarchists of some kind and like we don’t like the west particularly much and users from the instance have been getting into a lot of arguments about politics with default lemmy users - but we also really dislike neoliberal anti-communist gangsters like Putin, and we fucking despise Nazis PMCs like Prigozhin so in this moment it’s a common enemy dying so both groups are happy
Nah people just lie about us.
Hexbear smoothbrains are happy that daddy Putin murdered a political rival.
This nonsense is like screaming that Charles Dickens writes books about scifi robots in space. It just demonstrates that you’ve completely failed to do even the most basic level of effort to understand what the actual beliefs of anyone on Hexbear are. You just completely make up your own reality based on some cartoon you have in your head.
Like seriously, go and talk to people first before stating such wrong things so matter of factly.
Ok, thank you for the correction. My mistake was believing what others had said about hexbear rather than reading posts in the community myself.
Stop by the news megathread sometime and see/ask for yourself. You probably won’t agree with a lot of stuff (and even that’s partly cause there’s layers of irony caked onto the walls), but it’s not quite as bad as you think.
What a disappointing guy. The least he could have done was take out Putin before he died.
If Putin dies you’re not getting someone nicer, you’re getting someone significantly worse. Of the United Russia party he’s pretty much a moderate force within the party compared to the alternatives. And there isn’t any other party that would magically assume power if he died.
I Wish the CPRF was based and epic
We all do, there’s definitely a faction within it that’s pretty good but the top is dogshit. They wouldn’t win if Putin was killed though, political assassinations tend to boost support for the parties that receive them, only really worthwhile when it would hurt a party organisationally such as small parties where one person can be very critical. But that’s not happening with any massive party.
What if they did take over would you move to Russia and live in the communist “paradise?”
The USSR wasn’t a paradise (communism isn’t magic) but it was better than anything in Russia before or since. It’s not like turning to capitalism in the 90s made the country a utopia.
So yes?
Nah, he’s just another Russia’s tzar, this time under a different name, but still tzar. And when he dies, shit is gonna go down in Russia. And I personally can’t wait to watch it. No one is replacing Putin for quite some time after he’s done. Maybe on paper, but in reality Russia will be all kinds of fucked. Have I mentioned already that I’m looking forward to it?
Watch him showing up at Kremlin proclaiming himself Peter the Great reborn.
I mean, he did try a coup that failed miserably because he had no support. Even if he would have want to try to kill Putin, there’s no reason to believe he was capable of it
His plane has crashed and he’s on the passenger list, but it’s not proven yet that he was on the plane. He’s the person, who faked his death in the past.
It seems like oddly coincidental timing that Russia also officially relieved Surovikin as head of the airforce today (he still hasn’t been seen since the mutiny): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/23/russia-removes-sergei-surovikin-as-head-of-aerospace-forces
Not saying he’s definitely dead, but I doubt this is him faking his own death so much as him slipping an assassination attempt if he’s alive.
There were 10 people on the plane (3 pilots, 7 passengers) but they only recovered 8 bodies…
THERE’S A CHANCE HE’S ALIVE!
North Koreans going to Ukraine was a psyop. They were actually hired by Prigozhin to go to Russia and resurrect him after tricking everyone he died
If he manages to wiggle out of this one I will lose it I swear haha.
They expect
oneeight of us in the wreckage, brother.
Imagine blowing up a $5M Embraer just to fake his own death - and kill others in the process.
I’m sure Putin’s chef had money lying around, but burning all that cash sounds a little desperate to me.
Never get on board a helicopter, and never go on board a plane if you just pissed off a guy famous for offing his political enemies. Come on guy, that’s politics 101.
Seriously, have none of these guys listened to Rachel Jake’s podcast?
come to think of it don’t try and fail to kill putin no fucking way that works out
#JesusNut
If someone tells you they’re not going to kill you, they’re calming you down to kill you later
should’ve remembered this simple rule
The true Anon rules never miss
And neither did the missile lmao
rest in piss ye won’t be missedThe only thing I’ll miss about him is his unhinged videos yelling at Shoigu and Gerasimov. Where else am I going to see billionaire completely lose his shit, yell at government officials, and then post that shit online?
pringle was a BILLIONAIRE???
I’ve seen a few Western news reports refer to him as a billionaire but even if we say that that’s made up bullshit, everyone agrees that he was very wealthy.
Dude like him must be up to his neck in off the books dark money and assets, so we’ll probably never know.
“Pringle’s Lost Gold”
Coming Out 2024
We still have our big wet boy for that.
On X I guess?
Aren’t Musk and some other shits doing this from time to time? We just know it’s inconsequential because they don’t have a reason and nothing change anyways.
God willing the US military shoots their private planes down too
He’ll be remembered. Just not as a good guy.
No more half measures, Vladmir
At the same time, Grey Zone reported that a second business jet owned by Prigozhin had landed safely in the Moscow region.
Perhaps not gone.
However from memory they shot down some air force stuff on their way up during the mini mutiny, so I could see the Russian Air Force having it out for him.
honestly how could you be stupid enough to get on plane w/ that guy? this was the single most predictable event of the entire conflict.
I, uh, left my phone in the hotel… I’ll catch the next one.
lol right
He’s normally the guy Putin calls to shoot down aircraft.
There’s chance none of them were alive when the plane took off.
The cool thing about plane crashes is that they make autopsies reeaally superficial.Why would you bother? Just hide a bomb in the landing gear bay when servicing the plane just before taxi.
Yeah, but that doesn’t answer the question “what was he doing in a land where they want him dead?”
Ah, right, the plane took off on its own, did it? Remind me again of the avionics in an Embraer? I didn’t realise they had introduced communication with ATC, navigating the airport etc. completely automatically.
Dude I’m really not trying to build a conspiracy theory, all I’m saying is that it doesn’t need a Machiavellian genius to put 10 corpses on a plane, fly it at altitude and jump off with a parachute before it crashes in the forest. It’s like “Action movie 101”.
Also adding a quick comment to apologise for my snide comment in the beginning. I think I hadn’t gotten my morning coffee yes - an explanation but no excuse. Sorry.
No worries man, I also tend to get pissed at people that form their opinion without doing research first, so no hard feelings ❤
But the plane was flying at cruise speed and there’s only two exits on the Legacy 600 - left side passenger door or over the wings. Either of of those gets a pilot sucked straight into an engine. A few people have parachuted off a passenger plane, but only through emergency exits behind the wings (with wing mounted engines) or the tail staircase.
You obviously know about planes more than me.
Still I agree with @RonJonGuaido that Prigozhin had no logic reason to be on a flight in Russian territory (other than being someway forced to do that)What’s odd is that it looks like the plane was leaving Moscow, not arriving.
He may simply have felt safe, for reasons we don’t understand.
Yet the plane was on its way to st. Petersburg according to the article… That’s a hell of a detour for a man that was supposed to be in Africa
This isn’t an action movie.
People seem awfully quick to accept the narrative - it seems to me this would be the easiest way for him to disappear on his own terms.
Guess you could say the plane was denazified.
Why?
Because Prigozhin was a Nazi.
Are you sure? Never heard that before.
Dmitry Utkin (who was also on the plane) is definitely a nazi, and Wagner has a lot of links to far-right elements in Russia. Wagner itself is supposed to reference Richard Wagner, Hitler’s favorite composer
so Prigozhin is definitely in bed with nazis but idk anything about his actual beliefs
You in bed with Nazis, you’re a Nazi. Don’t matter if you’re a true believer or just grifting.
Richard Wagner
Also the guy Nietzsche ghosted because he couldn’t stand his antisemitism.
…sorry random association the first existentialist gets maligned all too often. “Talks about nihilism and how it needs to be overcome == nihilist”, yeah sure.
https://redsails.org/kriegsideologie/ https://redsails.org/losurdo-und-telepolis/
I spam redsails but it’s such a convenient site. I read The Gay Science as one of my first philosophy books, but I completely turned around because of Losurdo
The antimodernism thing is like the least charitable take one can have on Nietzsche but at least it’s not one that’s based on his sister’s stuff.
Some quick thoughts:
His stance on democracy has to be understood in the context of its days, much less developed than now, and in the Kaiserreich also very much class-based, ruled more by mass psychology than consideration of what actually good politics would be – on both sides, though I won’t deny that the nobles and bourgeois of course needed their wings clipped. At the same time he’s very much an elitist in the sense of, erm, personal improvement, sees the need for the individual to transcend the forces acting around them and develop their own path as sublation of everything, contrast that with the political forces in parliament being not even close to that but simple thesis-antithesis with no sign of actually starting to go beyond that and you have an easy case for “Nietzsche simply didn’t believe in the process democracy”.
To all this he prefers “hierarchy” [Rangordnung]
Is that really the term Anglos use as a translation. “ranking” or even “precedence” might’ve been a better choice. Honestly just translate it literally: “Rank order”. In any case and I won’t dwell on it: Nietzsche always describes these rank relations as in flux, not set in stone, and makes fun of tying it to inheritance. I don’t see him at odds with Bakunin, here, who will readily bow to the authority of the bootmaker.
At the same time he warned of the dangers of not having such a thing, of insisting on some moral-metaphysical notion of inviolable human equality, and we just recently had the opportunity to see that kind of thing in action: I’m speaking of the masses of people unwilling to bow to the authority of virologists and epidemiologists, going “nu-uh I did my own research”, meaning they read some bullshit blog somewhere. Nietzsche himself might’ve rather thought about the Jacobine terror and stuff.
Overall, when reading Nietzsche I recommend starting with Thus spake Zahatrustra, as a work of philosophical mysticism, get to grips with what it means for the individual mind, and interpret the rest in that light, and specifically consider whether he might not have framed a lot of things very differently had he witnessed Nazi Germany.
A parallel which comes to mind here is Plato, who likely would be similarly at odds with the modern scientific method as Nietzsche is with the democratic process, stressing the importance of intuition as to not de-humanise the process: Are we, as peoples, really engaging in democracy, or do we let a system of mass psychology rule us?
Lastly, my psychological armchair: Was he someone who often felt alone in a crowd? Yeah, probably. Clowns to the left, jokers to the right.
The guy with nazi tatoos is not Dmitry Utkin, they don’t look like the same person.
everything I can find on Utkin says he was into Nazi and pagan shit, and that the name Wagner came from him
1: It’s based on one photo that doesn’t even look like him, this is how he really looks like, compare the 2 photos:
- The wagner name is grasping on straws, he was a famous composer, it doesn’t definatively prove that Wagner is nazi.
Thug for hire is more like it. And now Wagner is exporting it to Africa, thugging it up for dictators, military or otherwise.
Probably because of this:
Dmitry Valerievich Utkin … was a Russian army officer. He served as a special forces officer in the GRU, where he held the rank of lieutenant colonel. He is alleged to have founded the Wagner Group
According to several news outlets, Utkin is an admirer of Nazi Germany and has multiple Nazi tattoos, including Schutzstaffel (SS) insignia.
The tattoos are visible in multiple public photos.
Putin’s propaganda is that the invasion of Ukraine is to denazify Ukraine. Basically any of his violent action is justified by calling his enemies Nazis and referring to the Soviet war against Nazi Germany (same as when the USA call others terrorists). So if he shot the plane, it’s because it had Nazis. Top comment may support this way of thinking.
No, it’s because Prigozhin was a Nazi. No more complicated than that
Both can be true at the same time, with the caveat that actual Nazis aren’t called Nazis in Russia but nationalists, patriots, suchlike.
But in the end Prigozhin might not have been a Nazi – in the ideological sense – but simply a crook. You don’t really need a racist or such ideology to build a colonial empire in Africa, plain ole criminal mindset suffices.
Nazis are called patriots in Russia
Gets even better when you realize it’s a German writing that
He is/was despicable as the leader of mercenaries ready to sell their services to any authoritarian regime, but I don’t see clear relationship with Nazism, do you have sources? It seems weird to me that a Nazi would accept to work for African juntas for example.
I find it weird that the former liberal consensus was that Wagner was effectively a Nazi PMC group but now I guess it isn’t?
that consensus evaporated as soon as he staged his coup, all the libs lined up behind him immediately
When this is your internal narrative
If you think I follow the ideology a specific movement, I’m afraid to tell you I don’t. So I’m not sure what the former liberal consensus was. The Wikipedia article (generally consensual, I guess) does mention that a sub-group in particular is: the Rusich unit. It seems ironic that Putin pretends to fight Nazism by using Nazis, unless the goal is that they self-destruction, but I guess that’s a fantasy.
Putin never said he sought to annihilate Nazism in general, at least not that I know of. He said that among his goals is to denazify Ukraine, which I believe is true simply because the Ukrainian Nazis are his most hardliners opponents there. He does also crack down on Russian fascists when they become inconvenient to him (like darling of the west Navalny), but I don’t think he ever claimed to be an antifascist.
copied from above
Dmitry Utkin (who was also on the plane) is definitely a nazi, and Wagner has a lot of links to far-right elements in Russia. Wagner itself is supposed to reference Richard Wagner, Hitler’s favorite composer
so Prigozhin is definitely in bed with nazis but idk anything about his actual beliefs
Putin’s propaganda is that the invasion of Ukraine is to denazify Ukraine.
No that’s Biden’s propaganda. Putin only mentioned it along with a laundry list of reasons. But besides, Ukraine’s ultranationalism is heavily based on Nazism.
His laundry list of reasons including gay/trans Ukrainian super soldiers and other such nonsense?
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ugh please go back to
He’s leading a Special Military Operation in the afterlife now.
