ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]

Thats not really a cogent definition of fascism, you’ve got to look at the material changes as liberalism moves into fascism not just the rhetoric

The bourgeois elections are the least important part of politics

I guess I dont see the difference outside of the latter being less organized and as a function of that being less effective.

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Vanguard parties will always emerge as some proles will be radicalized sooner than others, the difference in union strategy is that syndies want less centralization between the radical unions and dont percieve themselves as the vanguard.

Let’s not pretend racism isn’t directly connected to shitting on the dominant ideology of non white or conditionally white leftists

It took me calling the original meme racist over several hours before you edited it, and you should have noticed it in the first place. It incorrectly characterizes Mao, who was heavily influenced by anarchist thought. Integrating the good parts of anarchism into ML thought is kind of the thing he is known for, and to the extent he was successful is where a big portion of controversy around his theoretical contributions to socialism lie.

Also literally read anything about Jewish intellectual traditions and how they relate to Marxism, God damn.

Also at this point both syndies and vanguardists have the clearest path to power through radical unionism, including tenant, student, and municipal unionism

Yeah, we really should respond with self crit to such valid critiques as:

That being said I responded genuinely civilly, which is much more than OP deserves.

Because its not anarchists job to do that but worker’s job, and they are very good at self-organizing.

The anarchist workers didn’t do a good job. The popular front workers did a better job, the Soviet workers did a better job.

You say this as if they had multiple chances to do so lol.

They had a chance in Catalonia, a much smaller field, and couldnt coordinate there.

You may also have seen “debatelord”

So, there is this cool thing you can do called making memes gender neutral instead of calling trans women bros.

Since you take misgendering extremely seriously, I thought you should know about this neat trick.

Straight up misgendering half the posters lol

Asking you if something crucially needed to defeat the nazis was even documented as on the radar of contemporary anarchists isnt writing a novel.

That’s how they get you! taps forehead

If the goal is to get you to read yes, that is the secret tankie plot, to make you a better anarchist who is able to grow from previous failures instead of acting like an aggrieved post ww1 german soldier.

It’s pretty manipulative to posit a major historical event going completely differently would have worked out the same way except that it would have led this one really horrible thing. Cmon…

Were any anarchists talking about the need for massive industrialization at any cost in the late 1920s early 1930s in the soviet union? No? Then if the anarchists were in charge, yes, the nazis would have won and been able to implement plan ost.

It’s fucking racist to claim that China wouldn’t have done it if it weren’t for that one guy

The CPC was massive, it is racist of you to claim it was all one guy

Also your meme literally depicts mao as a slanty eyed Asian.

Ah, nice try, but I already told you I’m not going to debate you on the Spanish Civil War.

I asked you if you’ve even read anything about it, not if you want to debate me about it.

You implied that not crushing anarchists would have directly led to a successful genocide. Ye it’s pretty manipulative.

It isnt manipulative to point out that my family would have been killed if the anarchists won, it is giving you an explanation for why I have little sympathy for complaints by anarchists repeating the “stabbed in the back” myth instead of actually digging into the history of their project and learning from its failures to do better next time.

Have you read anything about the failures of coordination among the anarchist militias in Catalonia? Or their failures of economic coordination beyond the local level?

Have you even absorbed the critiques enough that you are in a place to argue against them?

Because this is serious stuff that you should be educated about before you make judgements about it.

I’m very sympathetic to anarcho syndicalism, but it showed its weaknesses in Spain and sectarian anarchists blame it on the USSR instead of learning from it.

PS: I like how you sneaked in that call to emotion at the end. Very manipulative. Love it!

It is not socially well adapted to declare “appeal to emotion” when someone is communicating why something is personally important to them. What I’m doing is expressing myself in a normal human way, and you consider that manipulative?

Okay, would you prefer to instead talk about the lack of anarchist purges in China and how in the meme you shared, everyone has eyes except for Mao who has slits instead? Can we talk about how that is in inappropriate way to depict Asian people?

If the anarchists in the soviet union were allowed power, general plan Ost would have come to fruition. Anarchists have historically not been able to lead mass industrialization in a coordinated way, and have not been able to lead successful military campaigns across territories as large as the USSR. If the soviet leadership didn’t protect the revolution from anarchists, part of my family would have died in a death camp instead of being liberated from one by red army soldiers.

But the tankies stabbed the pure hearted anarchists in the back! Okay, maybe the anarchists shouldn’t have been idealists who cared more about coops than actually prosecuting a successful socialist transition. Literally read Lenin’s interaction with the anarchist prince.

Just because I disagree with tankie talking points doesn’t mean I’m ignorant.

That is true! What have you read about the Spanish civil war or the ukrainian anarchist movement from an ML perspective? I’ve read a fair amount of critique of the situations from an anarchist perspective and I still broadly agree with the ML take on the situation.