Maddow is possibly the worst person to get any kind of informed analysis from, maybe only a short and curly above Jimmy Dore.

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You shouldn’t engage with this guy. Its always a bait and switch/ false premise/ straw man with this guy.

You make a point about an actual bill (the mexican border bill), he makes it about trump and a muslim ban.

Its always in bad faith. Its a condition of blue MAGA.

You should be so lucky as to get the half of a progressive which is Whitmer.

The establishment is pushing Newsom.

The smart money is on Andy Beshear.

The Nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

Lets not bury the lede. You run weak Democrats, you comprise with fascists (or just do the policies yourself; Biden’s border bill, Congressional support for making criticism of Israel a hate crime) : this is the path you put us on.

I mean that was the point of Macron’s gambit. Don’t let it wait. Strike while you’ve still got a chance instead of dragging out a loss. Its going to be interesting to find out if this works.

He was not President at the time of these acts, but I doubt that would stop them.

It’s always telling when some one insists that a statement is true when they themselves know that it isn’t.

It’s 💯 the case the Biden isn’t the nominee today. I’m not arguing if it’s going to be a progressive or a insider that replaces him. Frankly, I could give a shit because either will be doing instantly better than Biden.

Biden is replaceable and there is a cult of personality that has developed that believes this isn’t the case. They’re wrong. There as delusional as the right wing MAGA crowd and their doing MAGAs work for them as the useful idiots that they are.

It’s important to keep it clear that I’m not arguing that some how magically were going to replace Biden with a progressive. I’m arguing that needs to, and will be, replaced. That’s what Thursday showed us, and I know for a fact that the Beltway heard this.

The party that needs to be convinced is Harris. And I think she can be. All of these machinations are happening this weekend, as we speak.

My called shot: Biden steps down as early as Monday, as late as two weeks from Monday. I’m going to be making some calls and seeing what tea I can find spilled.

It’s not improbable at all.

exactly.

Who says it won’t be an establishment candidate?

Bruh keep this guy off any stage.

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Yeah this is just false.

jfc that is such a perfect meme.

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I mean, look. I was on both of Bernie’s campaigns. I put in thousands of calls for the guy. But brother, Its a pipe dream. Bernie polls 20-25 points ahead of both Trump and Biden. It wouldn’t be a W, it would be a Blue version of this map. Bernie would CRUSH Trump.

But its not going to happen. The DNC would rather lose to Trump than ever consider a genuine socialist. I would LOVE to be wrong on this, but its not going to happen.

Honestly, we could probably get Katie Porter through the wickets. We could probably get Gretchen Witmer through. I think we could get Inslee in. I’d put each of these at less that 20% stand alone probability.

Honestly, the best bet, the one I think has both the highest probability of getting the nom, and can actually win:

Andy Beshear

He’s a somewhat progressive southern > two term < Democratic governor.

He’s won Kentucky. Twice. Hes “a bit” progressive, but not a Bernie or a Ro Khanna.

You know who else was a two term, southern, slightly progressive governor?

Bill Clinton.

I’ll bet Bernie with my heart. I bet its going to be Andy Beshear with my wallet.

I see both sides of what you are saying; but if this is what you get when you put the guy on stage?

Bro keep him under a rock. Its just much much more evidence that Biden can-not-be the candidate if we need to win this one.

I mean. Sure I guess?

So it was unfair. Sure.

But Biden and his camp didn’t need to agree to a debate. It was going to get them nothing. There was NOTHING to gain here and everything to lose.

And they lost… everything .

It shows that the Biden team isn’t capable of manging this election; it showed that Biden isn’t capable of offering the rhetoric it takes to win.

The Presidential role is a communications job. If he can’t do the communications part of this, he__cant__win.