How are conservatives not widely declared as traitors? A few decades ago even the slightest hint you might be working for the Russians was enough to derail your career. But now it seems they can openly squash the best chance to disarm Russia, at a ridiculously low price, without sending troops. Why is the bar for them so low with everything?
Traitor to whom?
To America? It’s the definition of the word
Show me a MAGA politician, and I’ll show you a person bought and sold by Russian interference.
More likely to be bought by the International Democrat Union than by Russians.
To my knowledge IDU policies are in support of Ukraine.
They’re more in support of right wing policy than they are of Ukraine, though.
That’s true, but they have just invited (former Ukrainian pro-EU president) Poroshenko to their honorary advisory board. I do not think this is pro-Russia stand.
The IDU doesn’t care about Ukraine except insofar as it is a pawn to push right-wing ideology abroad.
They can read the polls and can see that a plurality of voters seem to be against more aid.
Edit: -72 is breddy good, I’m quite impressed at how
resistant you guys are. It really IS the reddit experience.
a plurality
Yeah, about ten guys who were bought and sold by Russia and a couple thousand other folks that fell for their con. By no means a majority and also by no means a reasonable stance.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html
Which sources: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23897329-cnn-ukraine-poll
No… page 10&11 clearly states that you’re wrong. It’s effectively a 50/50 split on Ukraine war with an actual majority 45/55 split saying no more funding.
These polls are as idiotic as the Brexit Referendum was.
People have no fucking clue what’s going on and they answer by their “gut feeling”. So it’s all down to the way the question is formed.
And it’s not a “yes” or “no” type of situation either.
So your argument is what exactly? That the poll is flawed… so there isn’t a majority or plurality? You realize that both for and against could have been answering by their “gut feeling”… a 50/50 split kind of proves the point that it’s not just a few thousand like was claimed.
Of course if you have a better source showing that Americans are happy with spending more money in Ukraine that’s of higher quality I’m all ears.
My argument is that linking a shitty poll that paint the issue in black or white does nothing to help to paint the picture of public opinion on the russia’s attack on Ukraine and how people feel about it.
Can you show how the poll is misrepresenting it as a black/white issue?
Do you have ANY better statistical resource?
The majority support Ukraine. Fuck off Russian bot.
“someone said something I don’t understand, they must be pro-Russian”
Flawless logic, kiddo.
Fuck off. You say something pro russian and then cry when people call you pro russian
Stating an obvious reason that democratically elected officials might have an opinion is pro-Russian.
I guess that elections are also undemocratic?
You’re a loon and I thank you for helping me grow my Blocklist.
I wonder if it would happen with NATO partners as well. If the US elects another (or previous) moron, the partnership could end on a similar whim.
Idk, I feel like the US not a very stable or trustworthy partner. Maybe Macron was right, maybe the EU does need it’s own army.
America never was a trustworthy partner. They start wars and raise dictatorships all over the world. Trump just showed they werent trustworthy in economical treaties either.
Everybody needs their own army. Otherwise they are too dependent on those who have, and that’s not just the USA, that includes also plenty of vermin.
If we disband alliances and rely on individual armies, you’ll very quickly see that we’re back to the middleages, where the smaller countries are eaten by bigger countries ad infinitum.
I am all for supporting Ukraine, its so hard to see Ukrainians shit talk america here equating the opinions of a few loud MAGA conservative assholes to the feelings of america as a whole. Most of our people are with you and want to support you but our political and economic situation is very hard right now. Im ashamed that we aren’t doing better during this critical time.
Everyone looking at the price tag vs the results knows a proxy war with a well-trained army, the side of the US and Ukraine, against formerly your biggest adversary is the least costly way to cripple your foe while hardly lifting a finger.
~$125 billion TOTAL, including humanitarian, in a sea of $800B+/yr is play money in war, and throwing Russia back with dollars is the largest blow to a man who thinks he’s militarily strong.
It even makes China hesitate. I’d pay a lot more just for that.
Edit to add: This is a sad justification to be involved in ending human life, regardless of merit.
It’s especially peanuts when you consider that the VA won’t have to take care of the veterans either. In the long-term, that’s where most of the funding actually goes after you put boots on the ground.
Edit to add:
The costs of caring for post-9/11 war vets will reach between $2.2 and $2.5 trillion by 2050 — most of which has not yet been paid.
Source:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/budget/veterans
That is roughly 1/3 of the total estimated past/future costs of the wars.
Damn good point.
And it provides your weapons industry with real life data from a large-scale conflict with equipment from multiple origins.
And it advertises a competitors products as inferior, and yours as superior.
I despise all these things, but from a purely economic viewpoint, this is interesting for business.
Meanwhile, people die.
You can blame those deaths on Putin.
Ukraine wouldn’t need those equipment if Putin didn’t invade a sovereign nation.
He can literally decide tomorrow to pull back and no deaths would follow anymore.
Russia’s military budget in 2019 was $65 billion. It’s a waste of money that’s only practical because the US is literally swimming in taxpayer money (mostly because the US doesn’t invest in itself, but that’s another issue).
I wouldn’t call $125 billion “play money”, even if the US yearly military budget is $900 billion.
The US military budget is egregious, and this just shows how much war is about funneling taxpayer money to the MIC.
proxy war: a war instigated by a major power which does not itself become involved.
Please don’t call it a proxy war, because it’s not.
Oh thousands of people are dead but at least it wasn’t me and all it cost was billions of dollars.
Yeah bro just roll over when you’re getting taken over and if you ask for help you should think of the thousands you’re going to kill.
Way to victim blame.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional supporters of Ukraine say they won’t give up after a bill to keep the federal government open excluded President Joe Biden’s request to provide more security assistance to the war-torn nation.
Nearly half of House Republicans voted to strip $300 million from a defense spending bill to train Ukrainian soldiers and purchase weapons.
Both the House and Senate overwhelmingly approved the stopgap measure, with members of both parties abandoning the increased aid for Ukraine in favor of avoiding a costly government shutdown.
The latest actions in Congress signal a gradual shift in the unwavering support that the United States has so far pledged Ukraine in its fight against Russia, and it is one of the clearest examples yet of the Republican Party’s movement toward a more isolationist stance.
In a letter to congressional leaders dated Friday, Michael McCord, under secretary of defense, wrote that the department has exhausted nearly all the available security assistance.
Rep. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said he would like to send a clear message to the world about U.S. support for Ukraine by passing legislation, but believes the Pentagon has “enough draw-down money” to last through December.
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Fuck off
