Gonna need to be a full on poly commune at this rate if prices keep going up.

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    you ever wonder if communities typically did just have a bunch of sex but revisionism happened

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      For most of the existence of human species (according to the scholarly consensus of anthropologists) we existed in bands of adults who would intermingle freely. Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

      All the monogamy and licensing happened after agriculture and the great leap forward once tribes became big enough that infectious diseases were no longer contained through pure isolation. We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods and then Christianity cranked it up to eleven, so now we imagine even our migrant hunter-gatherer ancestors paired off.

      As a note, during the middle ages, it was super important among aristocracy to assure ladies-in-waiting were virginal before they were wed, and then used purely as heir machines, but the serf class routinely banged like bunnies in springtime. And while frowned upon by the more piety-minded clergy, it was generally ignored because a) Child mortality was something awful and every kid that ever reached majority was to be celebrated, and b) The labor shortage was extreme everywhere. There was always way too much stuff to be done, and so every pair of hands was welcome, even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne’er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

      Curiously, as we see in the birth of Mordred, pre-Christian European traditions included suspending adultery limitations during holidays, which happened at least once a season, sometimes twice. So even in societies where monogamy was the norm, there was a defined space for getting a bit on the side. (Useful when your partner was infertile.)

      So yeah. Right in one.

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        This is a great write up.

        Do you have any books/sources to recommend on this subject?

        I’ve always been interested in klans persisting in the Middle East but dying out in Europe due (I’m told) to the Catholic church.

        Any interesting sources would be greatly appreciated!

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        Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

        We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods

        hmmm

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          You’re welcome to what I know, though I’m just someone who’s read more than a little pop-science. I’m not accredited or anything.

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        even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne’er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

        The serfs probably become more fit than the nobility over time because they had far more evolutionary pressure and diversity. The bloodline rules limited the nobility more than anything. One capable person doesn’t change much genetically in the grand scheme of things. Nepotism and inequality are anti-meritocratic.