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      Countries without FPTP aren’t exempt from any of this problem. Australia and Japan for example use different voting systems, and far-right governments and parties are and have been on the rise there also.

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    This is how Trump won in the first place, wikileaks published emails of Hilary’s campaign doing this. Instead of critisizing her for being responsible for Trump, democrats blamed Russia and attecked Wikileaks as Russian spies, literally called for shooting the messenger.

    This is a prime example of why voting for lesser evil is not a tactic in politics and the whole liberal ideology as whole that we just need to vote for right people, instead of removing powerful positions in government in the first place.

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      The wikileaks thing is highly suspect, though. Like, wikileaks intentionally disclosed a lot of publicly damaging dirt on Clinton and the Dems at a very sensitive time in the election while not releasing ANYTHING on the GOP, even though they supposedly had that information.

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        I mean Hilary had been personally, as Secretary of State, responsible for Julian’s persecution for years and years, it’s no surprise he would have had a grunge against her, with good reasons. It’s also highly likely no one from the Dems side thought WikiLeaks was a good avenue for leaks because of it, and so no material was submitted. It’s not really suspect, it’s just logical.

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        They realesed the fact that the main repblican candidate is placed there by Clinton campaign. No republican will like the fact that Trump is placed there by them. Whether wikileaks are good guys or not, doesn’t matter, they are not politicians, we don’t vote for them and they don’t live from peoples opinions. Assange being put in jail for simply saying the truth, while so many media legally lie, is very unjust however and there is no sense in not fighting for their civil rights even if we don’t like them. Because their civil rights are our civil rights. And their publications gave us, the people, crucial information about the system we live in.

        The main point of that leak is not Clinton is bad, vote for Trump, as democrats like to frame it. The point is that voting for Clinton is voting for tactics that get her in power, which is to promote Trump. So voting for Clinton, is a vote for Trump. Because as selfish and stupid as republicans (and democrats) are, they would have a better more center candidate if clinton campaign didn’t support Trump.

        You have to see that whoever you vote for, you are voting for both the worst republicans and worst democrats. The system is directly connected between the two, because they fund each other to bring out the worst, so they can win easier. It is pointless to vote for these candidates. You vote against Trump, but then your vote goes to person who is the main donor for Trump. That is the system that WIkileaks exposed and that anybody with honest intentions would get from their publication.

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    If you have two potential opponents, a slightly crazy one and a really crazy one, and you think you’re more likely to be able to beat the really crazy one then it’s a calculated risk to try and help the really crazy one beat the slightly crazy one for you. Your gamble doesn’t pay off if suddenly the really crazy one beats you though.

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      Not only that, the article states that they’ve only succeeded 4 out of 13 times getting the really crazy one nominated. So they’re playing with fire and wasting millions.

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        First of all, define “conducting”, second of all, you cannot seriously tell me you believe that Trump, if elected, will stop funneling arms to Gaza

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          Conducting as in actively engaged in supplying Israel with weapons used to commit the genocide, running political cover for Israel at the UN by doing vetoes of ceasefire resolutions, and attacking Yemen for interdicting shipping with Israel. I imagine that Trump will continue largely the same policies, but that just shows that both parties are genocidal fascists.

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            If it’s all the same to you, then, I’ll vote for the candidate that isn’t saying he wants to bring the fascism to our side of the pond. I’m not remotely condoning the genocide in Israel, dgmw, but given the choice between mass death over there, and mass death over there and mass deportations and anti-human rights laws back home, I’ll go with the first option.

            I hate Joe Biden as much as the next leftist, and I am sincerely begging everyone reading this to vote for someone else in the Democratic primary, but if it comes down to Biden or Trump, please, please tell me that you will vote for Biden instead of staying home

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    They’ve always been pretty open about supporting extremist nutjobs in swing districts, because extremist nutjobs do terribly in general elections in swing districts.

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    This is some next-level fucked up man-behind-the-man-behind-the-curtain conspiracy bullshit.

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        Has anyone reported on it aside from a self-proclaimed conservative news outlet?

        Edit: Just found NPR reporting on it

        That doesn’t change that this planet can’t burn up soon enough.

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          Yay context!

          a number of Democrats tried to boost far-right Republican candidates whom they deemed easier to beat in November.

          The strategy seems to have paid off: In high-profile races where Democratic candidates or groups successfully used the strategy during the primaries, all of the Republicans they helped have either lost or are trailing, two days after Election Day.

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              I think they discovered that was at least going on with Bernie

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                Yeah but then they stabbed him in the back because they were scared he would do well (which he probably would) and they are just as scared of the system actually being shaken up

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            A perfect example of short term thinking that plagues US politics. Democrats boosted popularity of the far right to win a primary. This directly contributed to the republicans party sliding further into MAGA territory. Now, dems are looking at a wipe out by Trump in the coming election. This continues the great tradition of liberals ushering in fascism.

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        Nice to see you truthful once in awhile. Many don’t believe that the US/Russia/China are backing far right around the world despite the fact