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    • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Sorry, didn’t mean to come off mad bocchi-cry the “oh an ableism!” thing occured to me just now lol. I didn’t think you were pushing evil binary-gender norms yourself…

      Good observation about this being an angloid thing though! And it’s not wrong of course to point out societal trends or norms. You’re not required per se to like, fight gender norms, you do whatever you please y’know? I think as long as you’re cognisant of this stuff it’s totally fine. Not tryna dictate people’s lives or presentation… I GOTTA SAY THOUGH

      That doesn’t mean I like or agree with them, but we exist in a society, gender is a social thing, etc.

      Literally “Eventually you can’t help but figure out that, while gender is a construct, so is a traffic light, and if you ignore either of them, you get hit by cars. Which, also, are constructs.”, t. Nevada. Oh man it tickles me when people do this one gosh anya-heh

        • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          6·
          4 months ago

          It kind of surprises me how many people have never heard of Orange Book tbh. But also, it’s one of those things:

          Nevada is hugely informed by Whipping Girl, which I like so far but it feels kind of regressive to me when Bornstein and Feinberg were doing cool and funny things with the gender binary two decades before, though its analysis of transmisogyny is still incredibly valuable.

          The thing is, it’s kind of a fucking stupid quote, that: gender is quite literally a social construct and it’s not nearly as solid as a car or streetlight. It has wobbly inconsistent fake rule.s Like yeah, people are probably still going to perceive you as one of three, “man, woman, secret third thing” but you can also just… literally ignore the gender binary? I and my wife are living proof, you don’t have to like, conform to some stupid societal standard of binary woman-ness to pass or be gendered correctly. Cisgender women don’t even do it reliably. Hell, in a good society, everyone would just get gendered correctly anyway, we would ask people first. We need to abolish this shit, read the Gender Accelerationist Manifesto. Maria Griffiths is not that smart a person.

          What is the thesis of this statement: ‘conform to get gendered correctly’? Very unserious.

            • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              4·
              4 months ago

              Yeah I’ve never heard of that soz. I haven’t read a meaningful amount of any of the Big Guys though I’m always planning to, I have special brainrot.

              Uh I might be gender Stirner actually? stirner-cool Fuckin… “de-articulation of reality”… It’s not that GENDER IS A SP**K because it literally doesn’t exist, it’s a sp**k because it was made up (in its current form) by Europeans and sent everywhere else. For instance, “felt and perceived as no less real than something that has a concrete material existence of its own” yeah obviously they literally exist, the evidence is right there, but it’s fake in the sense that it’s almost entirely made up by humans, it’s vibes-based.

              Ask anyone in this thread and I’m sure they’ll tell you that at one point or another, gender has caused them real harm, whether wielded by someone else against them as a club to conform or internally against themselves.

              Yeah well, who exactly do you think I am? What do you think helped me reach these conclusions to begin with? Could it be something like this maybe? I would like to know what “transcend it internally and socially” versus “retreat and de-articulate” mean here.

              those of us who are already alive and experienced it may still experience it inside of ourselves and we would need a way to navigate out of that,

              Uh I probably don’t understand this line, but like “gender abolitionism” does not mean I’m confiscating people’s genders, or even really dictating anyone else’s genders period. Gender Accelerationist Manifesto?

              because simply being told the club is imaginary and I’m doing it to myself isn’t/wasn’t enough to teach myself to not do it,

              Look at all of these metaphors… this is the starting point though right? I don’t think there’s an expectation that anyone will just throw Gender Outlaw at someone and they will be magically Freed, Idk. I had the first boilings of “well if gender is constructed then what even is a gender” like seven or eight years ago, it took a longass time to get here.

              I am weird granted, but it also seemed really obvious to me, though: no one human trait, physical or otherwise, has an inherent gender, and therefore nothing is inherently gendered. Which really was a wowee moment from me.

    • BountifulEggnog [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      5·
      4 months ago

      I am pointing out general social trends and behaviors as I perceive them.

      I really appreciate that, I would not have picked up on women doing this on my own.