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The Russians have also NOT killed POWs.
This is a war between armies of hundreds of thousands of combatants on each side. It’s statistically impossible that neither side engaged in killing POWs, the question is who did it more? What is the culture of the army? Is it something done occasionally by individual units, hidden from commanders, or is it just accepted by the entire command structure?
During the battle of Mariupol, after cornering Azov (the hardcore Nazi unit) in the metalworking plant, the Russian forces offered them literally like a dozen chances to surrender.
To the extent that the Russian public was getting seriously angry about it!
The Azov commanders wouldn't give in*!
*They surrendered just days laterAnd how did the Ukrainians react to this?
Having followed this war closely from the start, the “vibe” I get is that Russia is continuously humanitarian, frequently offers Ukrainians the chance to surrender and treats POWs well on the whole as a matter of military policy, and I feel confident saying the majority of mistreatment of POWs by the Russian side would have been done by Wagner, not the RU Army. Conversely, the Ukrainian army, riddled with rabid fascists and roving paramilitaries barely under the control of the political leadership, has constantly tortured and killed POWs and gloated about it on social media. I realise I should have saved the evidence, but that wasn’t exactly the frame of mind I was in while seeing it at the time.
But when the OFFICIAL Twitter account of the National Guard posts shit like this
I think it’s safe to say ‘humanization of the enemy’ is not on the agenda.
riddled with rabid fascists and roving paramilitaries barely under the control of the political leadership, has constantly tortured and killed POWs
Civillians too!
remember that so suuuper cool time when Azov took a bunch of human shields prisoner, and then recorded themselves playing the terminator theme song to tweet at arnold swartzenager about how cool his support was
also, HORRIFYING that I could only find this video with titles that refer to the ethnic russian civilian meat shields as russian sabateurs
fucking nazis burn all Azov
What is a “POW”?
Prisoner of war.
Thankyouu
Wow the sheer lack of self-recognition in this guy… Dude, you ARE the Nazi that you pretend to be fighting against. It doesn’t matter if you’re American or Russian, you ‘proud boys’ are all the same.
Thank God the Ukrainian military isn’t notoriously packed with Nazis! Because Biden has already given $75 billion to these people, and what do you call someone who gives money to Nazis?
I would call someone who gives money to Nazis a Nazi.
That said, Russia has been funding alt-right and neo-Nazi groups in the US. So by your point, Russia is also Nazi.
So between the US, Russia, and Ukraine, all of them are Nazis.
So the Russia-Ukrainan war is like a big Nazi infight.
Just to be clear, the US hasn’t provided any money. They’ve provided that much value in assets. Those assets already existed and we’re sitting around in storage, which required money to maintain anyway. They were constructed with the idea of fighting both China and Russia at the same time. They are being used to fight Russia, which decreases the level of stock that needs to be maintained to fight both of those nations at once. It’s quite possibly saving money, or at least not costing nearly the price tag that is said.
The US has been rather open about funding the entire Ukrainian government more or less since the war began (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/04/28/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-request-to-congress-for-additional-funding-to-support-ukraine/), which cannot be done entirely by sending them old military equipment. And the idea that we are saving money by provoking a nuclear power has got to be one of the craziest things I have read in quite some time.
It’s largely arms and ammunition.
And the idea that we are saving money by provoking a nuclear power has got to be one of the craziest things I have read in quite some time.
What does them having nuclear weapons have to do with anything? Either they’re in the wrong for invading a sovereign country or not (although international politics is never about right and wrong, but it’s about power). Just because they have nuclear weapons they should be allowed to do whatever they want? So the US should be free to invade any other nation without consequences too, right? What a joke.
If we’re removing the need to maintain old equipment, it’s removing a cost. The cost was maintained to fight Russia, and this weakens Russia, so future costs are decreased. It saves money, right? It doesn’t matter who is provoked. It doesn’t change that fact. Sure, we’re also sending aid and other things, but the goal is to create a good outcome for the US. Ukraine produces a lot of food, so securing them is in our benefit, along with any other agreements. You can disagree with this if you want, but that’s international politics. Russia wanted the same except with total annexation and subservience. I’d say remaining autonomous is a better outcome for them.
What does them having nuclear weapons have to do with anything?
Oh I don’t know, their ability to drive the human species to extinction? You can’t enjoy your treats if you’ve been incinerated in a nuclear blast 😉
Just because they have nuclear weapons they should be allowed to do whatever they want?
Remind me again which country developed these weapons first, and then used them against civilian targets when their enemy had already been begging to surrender for six months?
So the US should be free to invade any other nation without consequences too, right? What a joke.
Did you know that history didn’t actually begin with the Ukraine War? Are you aware of how many governments the USA has overthrown worldwide since WW2?
and this weakens Russia
Weakness is when the enemy occupies a third of your territory and most of your productive capacity (Ukraine) and builds or strengthens alliances with other growing world powers (China, India, Brazil, and others). Weakness is when even liberals begin to understand the term “dedollarization,” which has the potential to be as devastating to the USA as a nuclear war.
It saves money, right?
Once again, you don’t seem to understand that you can’t save money when you’re dead. You would also save far more money if you took a break from deep-throating the capitalist boot.
Russia wanted the same except with total annexation and subservience
Where did any Russian official announce that the total conquest of Ukraine was the goal of the Special Military Operation? The goal was the denazification of Ukraine and the protection of Russian-speaking populations in the east. So long as Nazis keep committing suicide by hurling themselves into Russian artillery bombardments, I don’t see how these goals are difficult to achieve.
You are implying I agree with US invasions, which I don’t.
You’re also implying that since the US did it Russia should be allowed to. Is it bad when the US does it or not? If the US doing it is bad, then Russia doing it must also be bad (unless you don’t actually care about invasions, but just like Russia/don’t like the US). Be consistent or your opinion doesn’t have any value.
Russia is “allowed” to do it for the same reason the US was “allowed” to invade Iraq.
They didn’t deny that. Both armies are packed with nationalists
Did you wake up this morning telling yourself that you were going to both-sides Nazism?
Unlike Russia, who claims to be fighting Nazis while bringing in people who proudly wear their Nazi tattoos in both the public and private armies. And really, if you believe the hype that Russia is fighting against Nazis then you haven’t been paying attention, and I have a bridge to sell you.
Where is the evidence for this? Rehabilitation of Nazism is against the law in Russia but encouraged in both the USA and Ukraine.
Yes, American soldiers would never do such things. They are distributing bananas and chocolate during war times to POW, have a lot of occasions to do so during the last decades.
What do American soldiers have to do with this? That is not even a good whataboutism.
whataboutism 
this type of lazy between the ears thinking is making this worse for everyone; please consider stopping.
The only other tactic they have is ChatGPT generated word salad though.
Side note: The American army unofficially encourages their combat arms branch soldiers to shoot wounded combatants during combat and to double-tap the wounded and the dead while assaulting through killzones so they don’t have to worry about ‘bullshit rules’ relating to capturing POWs including ‘bullshit’ things such as delivering life-saving first aid or the “hassle” of transporting them to a location to properly process them as POWs under the international rules of war.
Lemme put it this way. If I’m a brown person and I’ve made an enemy of both the Taliban and the U.S. military: which side do you think is better to be caught by? The side that will put a bullet in your head, or the side that will put an electric drill inside your head?
War is war. Either you are appalled that people are killing each other or you aren’t, don’t act like murderers not following “rules” matters to you.
Euromaidenpress, lmao
Bad source for sure though there is ample evidence (you can watch videos of it) of quite large-scale execution and torture of PoWs among Russian and Wagner troops. It has happened on both sides but certainly far more on the Russian side…
seborrheic dermatitis
hey, I have that on my face
but certainly far more on the Russian side…
Can you give a credible source to this claim?
There has been no quantitative data released but based on solid reporting in re-taken areas e.g., Bucha it is evident that there were large-scale arbitrary executions.
By contrast, Russian media has presented little evidence of large-scale executions. There have been individual cases but there is no evidence to suggest it is as systemic.
While you are right to critique my claim, which I should not have made with such certainty perhaps, one can collate the available evidence and make a claim with reasonable-albeit not total-confidence. If Russia did have evidence of large-scale execution of PoWs, they’d obviously put it in their own friendly media outlets + it would be in Russian Telegrams.
Wasn’t Bucha the place that had pictures of bodies with the white armbands (Russian collaborators in occupied territories) and Russian ration packs in the background and everyone was like “Russia did this!”
Yep, the massacre was probably from Ukraine’s side
Can bad things about Russia not be pointed out? I thought hexbear users were happy to point out when Russia was in the wrong.
Sure, but use proper sources.
Is there an English source for this one that isn’t, well, explicitly a front for laundering neoliberalism?
Not that I doubt that Russian (or Ukrainian) soldiers are doing war crimes on the regular, but a slightly less biased source would be nice if I plan to share it.
He also says his comrades once took captive a Polish soldier, forced him to stand on his knees, and killed him by shooting him in the head.
Sounds like a foreign mercenary to which the laws of war relating to prisoners of war don’t apply.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
the guy who killed him is also a mercenary. and poles live in ukraine, there are lawful combatants from the polish citizens of ukraine.
e: the article says “volunteer” but that still seems like something that would need a trial to determine whether they lacked protections before a summary execution. that should apply to any participants from neighboring countries’ ethnicities
Spamming the same fake news?
We need a rule against posting nazi websites and yes, this is a nazi website and no, the Russians aren’t the bad guys
Do you have proof they are Nazis?
Nazis famously elect Jewish leaders, so there’s one
Yes, you’re right. There is no bad thing in killing and raping women, children and elder people, and there is no bad thing in bombing kindergartens, hospitals, and even theaters with the word “ДІТЕИ” written at the front.
Russians are not the ones waving SS symbols around, that’s the Ukrainian Nazis, it’s also the Ukrainians who are the ones attacking ethnic minorities and supporting dictators in the Middle-East
Russians are not the ones waving SS symbols around
I present to you, ladies and gentlemen, … DShRG “Rusich”.
it’s also the Ukrainians who are the ones attacking ethnic minorities and supporting dictators in the Middle-East
They’ve got parity in that.
Russia is democratic nation?
Of course! They vote regularly! Sometimes even double the population of a city is voting!
Euromaidan press, truly the pinnacle of modern journalism
libs: look at this bad thing about russia i found online! (source: ihaterussians.ua/pleaseletusintonato)
